01-07-98 19:47:02 *** Log Activated #VOICE (E:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\#VOICE.log)
01-07-98 19:47:03 <Projects> yup... just missed you again :)
01-07-98 19:47:11 <Projects> Projects: smaze was last here 1 hours, 27 minutes ago
01-07-98 19:47:41 <Smaze> hehe.. yeah.. i left since i was busy with in a SDG meeting..
01-07-98 19:48:58 -> Projects HI!!
01-07-98 19:49:17 <Projects> hiya Abraxas!
01-07-98 19:50:19 -> *Projects* I hear (from mandie by way of MADodel) that we have a possible Speakup with Sam Detweiler in March
01-07-98 19:53:49 <MADodel> Hmmm, not sure what just happened, I think my hard drive took my system down, but it came back up without problem.
01-07-98 19:54:13 <HYACINTH> Hello
01-07-98 19:54:24 <HYACINTH> Is this where the OS/2 Voice meeting will be held?
01-07-98 19:54:55 <MADodel> HYACINTH: yes, welcome
01-07-98 19:55:18 <HYACINTH> Anticipation....four minutes and 50 seconds.
01-07-98 19:56:10 <HYACINTH> Three minutes and 50 seconds...
01-07-98 19:57:09 <HYACINTH> Two minutes and 50 seconds
01-07-98 20:00:21 <HYACINTH> So...what is the agenda?
01-07-98 20:01:15 <MADodel> ABraxas: You're VP, so let's start the meeting
01-07-98 20:01:22 -> OK....
01-07-98 20:01:32 <mandie> hello :)
01-07-98 20:01:43 <Projects> mandie!
01-07-98 20:01:49 <mandie> projects!! :)
01-07-98 20:01:50 <Smaze> hey mandie!
01-07-98 20:01:55 <mandie> smaze: hi :)
01-07-98 20:02:12 <HYACINTH> Hello
01-07-98 20:02:24 <mandie> hyacinth: hello and welcome :)
01-07-98 20:02:38 <mandie> madodel!!
01-07-98 20:03:00 <MADodel> mandie?????????
01-07-98 20:03:06 <mandie> who??? :)
01-07-98 20:03:37 -> Welcome to the 1st general meeting of VOICE for 1998
01-07-98 20:04:02 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 20:04:32 -> We have a *LOT* happening here this year.....
01-07-98 20:04:53 -> A lot of old faces, and a lot of new ones as well
01-07-98 20:05:27 * Spoc has trouble thinking of himself as old... ;-)
01-07-98 20:05:52 * MADodel is old, and feels it these days.
01-07-98 20:06:09 * Projects is old, but doesn't feel it
01-07-98 20:06:20 * Abraxas is old (by some standards) but doesn't feel it (yet) :-)
01-07-98 20:07:01 -> Anyway, to start off.....one of our most successful Speakup sessions was with Timothy Sipples (las month)
01-07-98 20:07:06 * mandie is older than you all..and knows it! :)
01-07-98 20:07:10 -> last month, even
01-07-98 20:07:27 <Projects> mandie: not by a whole lot though :)
01-07-98 20:07:35 <mandie> projects: :)
01-07-98 20:07:48 <Spoc> Yup, tim is a great guest. :-)
01-07-98 20:07:59 -> As any of you who attended that meeting know, we ran about 2 hours over, and still had a few people waiting to ask him questions
01-07-98 20:08:10 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 20:08:16 <mandie> we had a bad lag night :(
01-07-98 20:08:17 <swordedge> my nephew thinks I'm old, I think I'm young
01-07-98 20:08:32 <mandie> swordedge: what does he know!
01-07-98 20:08:48 -> mandie bad lag isn't quite descriptive enough....but we'll let it go at that :-)
01-07-98 20:08:48 <swordedge> he's 11, not much!
01-07-98 20:09:03 <Spoc> hehehe
01-07-98 20:09:26 -> mandie I understand Tim has agreed to come back for "round 2" ?
01-07-98 20:09:39 <mandie> abraxas: yes, Feb 18
01-07-98 20:09:45 -> Great
01-07-98 20:09:55 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 20:10:08 -> Hopefully the lag won't bother us....and everyone will get their questions asked
01-07-98 20:10:22 -> What time is he going to join us?
01-07-98 20:10:27 <mandie> abraxas: I'm also working on another prospect...want to hear
01-07-98 20:10:37 -> mandie Of Course!
01-07-98 20:10:44 <Projects> mandie: of course we do!
01-07-98 20:10:45 <swordedge> by Feb 18, we'll know if innoval's J Street Mailer beta works
01-07-98 20:10:55 <mandie> Sam Detweiler
01-07-98 20:11:09 <mandie> His sig used to be
01-07-98 20:11:09 -> mandie GREAT!!! and perfect timing
01-07-98 20:11:11 <mandie> Sam Detweiler
01-07-98 20:11:13 <mandie>  IBM OS/2 Development
01-07-98 20:11:13 <mandie>  Device Driver development and Support
01-07-98 20:11:13 <mandie>  OS/2 Advisor
01-07-98 20:11:27 <mandie> but..not it's Sam Detweiler
01-07-98 20:11:27 <mandie> Senior Programmer
01-07-98 20:11:27 <mandie> OS/2 Advisor (CIS)
01-07-98 20:11:36 <Spoc> Cool
01-07-98 20:11:41 <mandie> anyway, I believe he will be speaking...he wants us to select the topic
01-07-98 20:11:52 -> As I remember, Sam is soley responsible for the Removable Media support (aka NEWDASD) for OS/2
01-07-98 20:12:03 <mandie> I had said Device Driver devel of course..but maybe we want to be more specific?
01-07-98 20:12:10 <MADodel> OS/2 hardware support, present and future
01-07-98 20:12:11 <swordedge> how about I2O
01-07-98 20:12:30 <mandie> mad: that sounds good
01-07-98 20:12:37 * Spoc favors MADodel's idea
01-07-98 20:12:39 <mandie> I'll approach him with that...
01-07-98 20:13:00 -> And with that support going GA this month, as well as the BETA support drivers for ATAPI Disk Devices (aka ATAPI ZIP and LS-120), Feb should be good time for him to answer any questions
01-07-98 20:13:33 <mandie> abraxas: no, his session will be in March
01-07-98 20:13:39 <mandie> but still good timing
01-07-98 20:13:45 <os2hq> Howdy, neighbors!
01-07-98 20:13:47 -> Yes....even better
01-07-98 20:13:52 -> os2hq Hi
01-07-98 20:13:55 <MADodel> What about getting Dan Porter of Innoval for a speakup?
01-07-98 20:13:58 <Projects> heyas os2hq
01-07-98 20:14:01 <mandie> he has NO experience with irc..so I got him setup last night..he may stop by tonight to *practice*
01-07-98 20:14:04 <os2hq> Hey abraxas, proj.
01-07-98 20:14:13 <Projects> what about getting someone from Stardivision for a speakup?
01-07-98 20:14:22 -> mandie great.....
01-07-98 20:14:25 <MADodel> Projects: In German?
01-07-98 20:14:38 <os2hq> notes that Lotus is rolling out something soon.....
01-07-98 20:14:38 <MADodel> :-)
01-07-98 20:14:50 <Projects> MADodel: well, they do have an english version, so someone there must speak english :)
01-07-98 20:14:55 <mandie> mad: I can ask
01-07-98 20:15:09 * Abraxas notes that most Germans do speak English
01-07-98 20:15:09 <mandie> mad: and I haven't forgotten your email suggestions either :)
01-07-98 20:15:15 <MADodel> mandie: no one seems to turn you down. :-)
01-07-98 20:15:17 <os2hq> hmmm.... gotta go check on supper....
01-07-98 20:15:17 <swordedge> Maybe it would be better if you wait for Stardivision to get "something" out of beta
01-07-98 20:15:39 <mandie> mad: hehe..no matter what I call them..hehehe
01-07-98 20:15:42 <Spoc> german verion of SO4 is out of beta
01-07-98 20:15:51 -> OK.....We have suggestions for StarDivision, Innoval and Lotus
01-07-98 20:15:59 <Spoc> international is supposed to be soon.
01-07-98 20:16:13 -> Any other suggestions.requests for guest speakers?
01-07-98 20:16:34 <Spoc> hmm
01-07-98 20:16:39 <Spoc> Stardock?
01-07-98 20:16:47 <Projects> we had stardock once already
01-07-98 20:16:56 <Spoc> ok
01-07-98 20:17:08 <Projects> but another might be interesting...
01-07-98 20:17:08 <swordedge> someone that is doing the Nagano Olympics
01-07-98 20:17:09 <mandie> I'm trying to think of the name of the guy from lotus
01-07-98 20:17:24 <MADodel> And Brad tends to stir up alot of hostility for some reason
01-07-98 20:17:28 -> Projects yes....but Brad always seems eager to talk....and Stardock does have some new *stuff* in the works
01-07-98 20:17:33 <mandie> mad: true
01-07-98 20:17:33 <Projects> What about Bruce Landeck from Spitfire?
01-07-98 20:17:51 <Spoc> spitfire?
01-07-98 20:18:01 <MADodel> Spoc: InCharge
01-07-98 20:18:06 <Projects> InCharge
01-07-98 20:18:08 <mandie> Madodel: had suggested Esther and Bill Schindler for a REXX session
01-07-98 20:18:21 <os2hq> Michael Steinberg from Lotus.
01-07-98 20:18:23 <Projects> since the accucount guy lied through his teeth :p
01-07-98 20:18:23 <mandie> and I thought maybe we could get Dick Goran for an Advanced REXX session
01-07-98 20:18:26 <mandie> os2hq: that's him
01-07-98 20:18:32 -> mandie Either (or both) of them would be good
01-07-98 20:18:52 <Spoc> hmm, what about vrexx and vis/pro rexx?
01-07-98 20:18:57 <os2hq> Yeah, what ever happened to Accucount.... like FUDing himself?
01-07-98 20:19:12 <mandie> spoc: who does vrexx?
01-07-98 20:19:14 -> Esther and Bill might be eager to do something (since their REXX class at ZDU seems to have gone by the wayside)
01-07-98 20:19:24 <os2hq> BTW, there is that SpeedPascal called "sibyl" for OS/2.....
01-07-98 20:19:29 <Spoc> mandie: I don't know.
01-07-98 20:19:33 <Projects> os2hq: phones have been 'temporarily disconnected' no email responses... just waiting on a snail mail response before I get really mad.
01-07-98 20:19:37 <os2hq> I have a *lot* of OS/2 dev tools listed on my website.
01-07-98 20:19:37 <mandie> os2hq: it's out for os2?
01-07-98 20:19:38 <swordedge> or NetRexx since it generates java binaries
01-07-98 20:19:41 <Spoc> mandie: I have vis/pro myself
01-07-98 20:19:58 <os2hq> Proj: so much for my $60, 2 Tshirts, and a pack of stickers.....:((
01-07-98 20:20:10 * Projects has vx-rexx, but doesn't use it. Trying to struggle through c++ now :p
01-07-98 20:20:16 <os2hq> mandie: It's listed on BMT's site.
01-07-98 20:20:27 <mandie> os2hq: ok
01-07-98 20:20:30 <Projects> os2hq: heh... I only paid 45 or so for accucount (20 US)
01-07-98 20:20:45 <os2hq> has vispro rexx and object rexx.... too busy to get after it. Learning webpages is easier too!!
01-07-98 20:20:47 <Projects> os2hq: but I'm still mad...
01-07-98 20:20:48 * mandie is noted the ideas
01-07-98 20:20:53 <mandie> suggestions :)
01-07-98 20:21:03 <os2hq> be back shortly....
01-07-98 20:21:23 <Projects> supper must be ready :)
01-07-98 20:21:26 -> Speaking of Accucount/2....there was a post in usenet this week where the user reported actually getting an e-mail response from them.....said that they were "Waiting on IBM".
01-07-98 20:21:30 <mandie> any interest in the new labeling program SMACK?
01-07-98 20:21:31 <Brancher> what about Opera people or Opera/2 team?
01-07-98 20:21:47 <mandie> brancher: good idea
01-07-98 20:21:52 <Projects> but they said 'waiting on ibm' in april
01-07-98 20:22:04 -> Projects yep...canned response?
01-07-98 20:22:08 <Spoc> ouch
01-07-98 20:22:14 <MADodel> VOICE newsletter will be doing a review of Smack in February
01-07-98 20:22:15 <Projects> and they said "preview by the end of next week, and beta 2 weeks after' when they were here...
01-07-98 20:22:21 <swordedge> Opera/2 just got started, you might give them a few months at least
01-07-98 20:22:24 -> Projects sounds like thet don't know how to code it
01-07-98 20:22:31 <Projects> Abraxas: wouldn't know, since they don't reply to my email
01-07-98 20:23:13 -> Projects maybe they are waiting for IBM to builkd WIn32 compatibilty into OS/2 :-)
01-07-98 20:23:47 <Spoc> like that will ever happen.
01-07-98 20:23:50 <Projects> Abraxas: heh... well, I'd still like to know why their phone lines are 'temporarily disconnected'...
01-07-98 20:23:52 -> mandie are you writing down all these Speakup suggestions? ;-)
01-07-98 20:24:12 <mandie> abraxas: sure am..want me to post the list to see if I missed any?
01-07-98 20:24:12 -> Projects yes....I know....it doesn't look good :-(
01-07-98 20:24:24 <Projects> Abraxas: yup :(
01-07-98 20:24:25 -> mandie sure....
01-07-98 20:24:28 <mandie> Stardivision
01-07-98 20:24:33 <mandie> Dan Porter Innoval
01-07-98 20:24:39 <mandie> Lotus
01-07-98 20:24:45 <mandie> Bruce Landeck - spitfire
01-07-98 20:24:48 <mandie> Rexx
01-07-98 20:24:50 <mandie> NetRexx
01-07-98 20:25:00 <mandie> vrexx vis/pro rexx
01-07-98 20:25:04 <mandie> opera/2 team
01-07-98 20:25:08 <mandie> did I miss any?
01-07-98 20:25:29 <mandie> Sam topic..OS/2 Hdwe support present&future
01-07-98 20:25:34 -> mandie not that I can see....and if we can get one a month....that will take us into November :-)
01-07-98 20:25:46 -> That was counting Sam
01-07-98 20:25:47 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 20:25:47 <eTronik> sorry people! I was helping my sister with a WinOS2 problem. what are you guys planning ?
01-07-98 20:26:11 <mandie> we can do 2 in a month if need be...I'll go with whatever meets the speakers schedule :)
01-07-98 20:26:14 <swordedge> mandie, the drivers guy and sipples return
01-07-98 20:26:20 <Projects> eTronik: global takeovers
01-07-98 20:26:20 <Projects> :)
01-07-98 20:26:39 <Spoc> hehehe
01-07-98 20:26:44 -> mandie 2/month would be fine......
01-07-98 20:26:48 <mandie> swordedge: well, Sam said that he can talk forever..but don't ask HIM to select the topic
01-07-98 20:26:48 <eTronik> hmmm lets take over IBM :-)
01-07-98 20:27:00 <Projects> good plan!
01-07-98 20:27:03 <mandie> eTronik: you mean we haven't! :)
01-07-98 20:27:13 <Mark> eTronik: Erasing every hard disk in MS' Redmond campus
01-07-98 20:27:17 <swordedge> only need a mere 95Billion or so!!
01-07-98 20:27:32 <mandie> swordedge: mere technicality :)
01-07-98 20:27:35 <MADodel> Maybe get one of those for January? Innoval has J street mailer coming out in Feb, so they may be interested in coming in at the end of Jan or beg of Feb.
01-07-98 20:27:48 -> We've (VOICE) taken over OS/2 ..... IBM jsut doesn't know it, yet :-)
01-07-98 20:27:52 <eTronik> oh cmon cmon ! tell me what are you planning out...
01-07-98 20:28:17 -> eTronik planning guest speakers for future meetings
01-07-98 20:28:31 <Projects> eTronik: guest speakers
01-07-98 20:29:05 <eTronik> guest speakers in IRC voice meetings ? or in physical presence meetings ?
01-07-98 20:29:05 <Projects> be nice to have a guest speaker every general meeting...
01-07-98 20:29:13 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 20:29:18 -> btw...anyone seen our webmaster, tonight?
01-07-98 20:29:19 <Projects> eTronik: voice meetings
01-07-98 20:29:27 * Spoc wouldn't complain about that.
01-07-98 20:29:34 <eTronik> Projects: so IRC based right ?
01-07-98 20:29:34 <Spoc> Nope.
01-07-98 20:29:47 <Projects> eTronik: yup... just like right now
01-07-98 20:29:57 <mandie> welcome Balckbird
01-07-98 20:30:05 <mandie> blackbird even :)
01-07-98 20:30:08 -> eTronik VOICE is ALL IRC based....*Virtual* OS/2 International Consumer Education
01-07-98 20:30:18 <eTronik> Projects: Ah yes! I read the sipples transcript! very interesting ! really !!
01-07-98 20:30:21 <BlackBIRD> Thanx! How is everyone tonite?
01-07-98 20:30:31 <mandie> great
01-07-98 20:30:53 <Projects> eTronik: it was extremely interesting being here too :) And TimurTabi's speakup was also great
01-07-98 20:30:58 <eTronik> I find Dan Porter a very positive guy ! he could do wonders...
01-07-98 20:31:06 <Mark> Dan Porter would definitely be a good guest in the near future
01-07-98 20:31:23 <Projects> what about Chris (whoever) from OS2 ezine?
01-07-98 20:31:36 -> mandie think you could get Dan Porter for the next general meeting (2 weeks)???
01-07-98 20:32:02 <mandie> abraxas: not a good idea...we need time to announce and get ppl here
01-07-98 20:32:25 <Projects> mandie: 2 weeks is time...
01-07-98 20:32:32 <mandie> I'll see
01-07-98 20:32:48 <mandie> they do have the new java email client
01-07-98 20:32:53 -> mandie remember....Internet=Speed of Light :-)
01-07-98 20:33:13 <Projects> except when there's lag
01-07-98 20:33:21 <MADodel> Abraxas: Speed of Lag is more like it.
01-07-98 20:33:27 -> Just have to post EVERYWHERE...not just the announcement areas
01-07-98 20:33:49 * MADodel pounds the usenet
01-07-98 20:33:52 -> MADodel oh...yeah....I keep forgetting about Tim's last session :-)
01-07-98 20:33:54 <mandie> madodel does a good job of getting announcements posted
01-07-98 20:34:15 * mandie could kick herself for forgetting to put the info in EA about our help mailing list :(
01-07-98 20:34:19 -> mandie yep.....I got the one in Warpcast last night
01-07-98 20:34:40 -> 10 lashes with a wet noodle for mandie
01-07-98 20:34:46 <MADodel> but I never saw one in c.o.o.announce
01-07-98 20:34:48 <mandie> atleast!
01-07-98 20:35:01 <mandie> mad: that can take up to a week!
01-07-98 20:35:06 -> MADodel c.o.o.a seems to not get "approved" often enough....
01-07-98 20:35:09 <mandie> I've had announcements show up after the actual event
01-07-98 20:35:26 * Abraxas thinks c.o.o.a needs a new moderator
01-07-98 20:36:41 <mandie> for those interested..we know have a link to a site that has 400+ apps that are comparable to their windows counterpart :)
01-07-98 20:36:47 <mandie> know=now
01-07-98 20:36:53 <Spoc> ;-)
01-07-98 20:37:06 <Mark> mandie: what's the URL?
01-07-98 20:37:09 <Spoc> url?
01-07-98 20:37:10 * Abraxas didn't even know that :-)
01-07-98 20:37:14 <mandie> hmm
01-07-98 20:37:18 <Projects> www.os2voice.org
01-07-98 20:37:21 <Brancher> mandie: I saw that site... was where I learned about xitami, i.e.
01-07-98 20:37:30 <mandie> brancher: great!
01-07-98 20:37:32 -> now I know how Dan Quayle felt >
01-07-98 20:37:38 <mandie> it's linked from the voice site :)
01-07-98 20:37:44 <Mark> for the web site with the 400 apps
01-07-98 20:38:06 <Mark> I'll check it out! Thanks!
01-07-98 20:38:57 <eTronik> os/2 definitely needs anti-aliased fonts !!
01-07-98 20:39:21 <mandie> http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/os2apps.shtml
01-07-98 20:39:29 -> On another topic.....there has been a lot of traffic in usenet, lately, about using UDMA controllers and Hard Drives with Warp....Specifically non-Intel chipsets
01-07-98 20:39:36 * Abraxas nudges mandie
01-07-98 20:39:38 <EuxW> hello, all
01-07-98 20:39:39 <Mark> I got it.
01-07-98 20:39:41 <mandie> also, here's a new site for app suggestions and needed programmers
01-07-98 20:40:02 <mandie> http://www.netlabs.org
01-07-98 20:40:15 <mandie> it's new..so it would be nice if they got the os2 community support
01-07-98 20:40:33 <mandie> right now they are working on gimp/2
01-07-98 20:40:43 <mandie> gimp is a linux app like photoshop
01-07-98 20:40:44 <eTronik> do you feel (like I do) that the windows camp is largely oblivious to Java ?
01-07-98 20:40:45 * Projects wonders just when one considers hisself a programmer... if you could see the crap I'm muddling through now...
01-07-98 20:41:02 <Spoc> Projects: hehehe
01-07-98 20:41:14 <mandie> thndrbls: hi
01-07-98 20:41:17 <Mark> Along that line, if we could get the person(s) that were doing the Cu See Me clone to donate their code to netlabs
01-07-98 20:41:42 <eTronik> Projects: if you do a 2 line macro in 1-2-3 for DOS, you're a programmer ! :-)
01-07-98 20:41:45 -> Projects I think it's the stage just beyond "Hello, World!"
01-07-98 20:41:48 <Thndrbls> mandie: hi - I'm new to IRC, so I'll prob be slow.
01-07-98 20:42:12 <mandie> mark: good idea..they even state on the site..that if you've started a project and dropped it..feel free to u/l to their site
01-07-98 20:42:21 <Projects> Abraxas: Cool! I'm there then! :)
01-07-98 20:42:23 <mandie> thndrlbls: no problem..we've all been there :)
01-07-98 20:42:49 <Mark> Gotta go.
01-07-98 20:42:50 <Thndrbls> mandie: thx - I'll just lurk a bit...
01-07-98 20:42:55 <mandie> mark: do you know who was doing the cuseeme ?
01-07-98 20:43:34 <Mark> No. Sorry.
01-07-98 20:43:58 <eTronik> but besides cuseeme, can't we encourage and help InterCOM get ported to Java ?? much better alternative no ?
01-07-98 20:44:03 <mandie> that might be worth suggesting to the fellow that started the project..I've been in contact with him..so I'll drop himi a line
01-07-98 20:44:27 <mandie> etronik: I really don't know why it hasn't been..the author is working in java now
01-07-98 20:44:28 -> mandie good idea
01-07-98 20:44:45 <Projects> eTronik: the author of InterCom has gone fully java, but a telephony app is a bit much for java
01-07-98 20:44:54 <Projects> right now that is
01-07-98 20:45:12 <mandie> projects: have you spoken with him about it or has it been mentioned in #os/2 ?
01-07-98 20:45:32 <eTronik> projects: and IBm is also making a stab at it right ? so it could be done in a short while (6 months)
01-07-98 20:45:34 <MADodel> IBM has yet to come up with an OS/2 java version of icphone
01-07-98 20:45:38 <Brancher> eTronik: not sure, but I believe that most of that kind of programs talk in a common language, so if it use the same protocol an InterCom user could talk to an Cuseeme/win or other programs
01-07-98 20:45:42 <Projects> mandie: I haven't spoken to him (you ever talked to him?) but I've seen it mentioned quite a bit
01-07-98 20:45:43 <mandie> didn't they drop icphone
01-07-98 20:45:47 <os2hq> Mmmm.... that was good.
01-07-98 20:46:00 <eTronik> Brancher: hmm no I don't think so...
01-07-98 20:46:03 <mandie> projects: haven't talked to him in months
01-07-98 20:46:15 <Projects> mandie: same here :)
01-07-98 20:46:24 <MADodel> mandie: I thought they are making a java version for windows
01-07-98 20:46:26 <mandie> projects: but I will now :)
01-07-98 20:46:26 <eTronik> but we really should register InterCOM works like a charm !!
01-07-98 20:46:31 <Projects> mandie: he's in #os/2 now, want me to ask?
01-07-98 20:46:36 <mandie> mad: ah, wasn't aware of that
01-07-98 20:46:39 <Projects> mandie: ah, cool... you do it then :)
01-07-98 20:46:43 <mandie> projects: sure..see what he says
01-07-98 20:46:49 <mandie> sam!! you made it :)
01-07-98 20:46:51 <eTronik> better yet ! invite him over here !
01-07-98 20:46:58 <Sam> now waht?
01-07-98 20:47:00 <mandie> Sam: welcome :)
01-07-98 20:47:10 -> Hi, Sam....Welcome to VOICE
01-07-98 20:47:13 <mandie> Sam: the worst is over..now you just type :)
01-07-98 20:47:25 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 20:47:29 -> mandie good advice.....:-)
01-07-98 20:47:30 <MADodel> Seems the multimedia stuff is platform dependent at the moment.
01-07-98 20:47:37 <Sam> Ok
01-07-98 20:47:59 <mandie> folks, I'd like to into Sam Detweiler...he's the gentleman I was referring to for the speakup session
01-07-98 20:48:08 <mandie> into=intro even
01-07-98 20:48:29 <Projects> <*ProfJava*> haven't decided yet... waiting for the audio APIs to become available in the JDK.
01-07-98 20:48:36 <Spoc> Hello Sam, nice to meet you.
01-07-98 20:48:37 <eTronik> MADodel: I just read today that the the Netscape+IBM Java App class include a sound API
01-07-98 20:48:53 <Sam> Hi. How long has this IRC been around?
01-07-98 20:49:12 <eTronik> mandie: could you elaborate once again on Sam ? I missed it :-)
01-07-98 20:49:31 <Spoc> Sam: I'm not sure, but several years anyay
01-07-98 20:49:38 <os2hq> Hi Sam! Going on one year for VOICE.
01-07-98 20:49:40 <swordedge> I read today that sun as delivered the java JDK 1.2 beta with bunches of features
01-07-98 20:50:02 <mandie> eTronik: we've as Sam to do a speak up session...the topic discussed tonight would be OS/2 Hardware Support - Present & Future
01-07-98 20:50:25 <eTronik> ahh !
01-07-98 20:50:27 <mandie> IRC became very popular during the Persian Gulf war..was an excellent means of communication
01-07-98 20:50:32 <os2hq> USB, DVD, that Circuit City thingie.....
01-07-98 20:50:40 <eTronik> Sam: any special connection to OS/2 and hardw support ?
01-07-98 20:50:43 <Sam> Yes. I'm in the group responsible to help hardware vendors get their products working.
01-07-98 20:50:53 <eTronik> Sam: sorry bout my ignorance ! .-)
01-07-98 20:51:05 <Sam> This MAY mean writing driver or two, or doing a subsystem, or whatever..
01-07-98 20:51:05 <mandie> Sam: so you think that topic is doable?
01-07-98 20:51:25 <os2hq> HPFS above 64Gigabytes....
01-07-98 20:51:35 <os2hq> (actually Chkdsk)
01-07-98 20:51:39 <eTronik> not to scare Sam, but he cuold be in for a lot of heat :-))
01-07-98 20:51:44 * Abraxas thinks eTronic should hang out in comp.os.os2.storage
01-07-98 20:51:46 <MADodel> os2hq: You have 64 Gig?
01-07-98 20:51:51 <os2hq> MAD: Just planning for the future....
01-07-98 20:51:56 <mandie> etronik: we moderate the sessions :)
01-07-98 20:51:57 <Sam> The new Removable media support in the next Fixpack is mine, as well as the PnP support in Warp 4 and the Rexx interpreter for OS/2 and the little network install pgm (SRVIFS)
01-07-98 20:52:09 <os2hq> My website is beginning to take off, we might need a few Gigs around here.
01-07-98 20:52:16 <eTronik> mandie: and you do it GREAT !!
01-07-98 20:52:21 * MADodel remembers when 30 meg was huge amount of DASD.
01-07-98 20:52:26 <Sam> Nah, can't be in for heat, there is PLENTY of work that could be done,and
01-07-98 20:52:39 <Sam> I've helped with a lot of it, and still do.
01-07-98 20:52:41 <os2hq> Sam: looking forward to that support for Zip, Jaz, Imations, etc.
01-07-98 20:53:26 <eTronik> Sam: can you give us a hint or two about the removable media support in that next Fp ??
01-07-98 20:53:29 <swordedge> There is one thing I would love is true full screen in any resolution under warp.
01-07-98 20:53:42 <Sam> No support for Imation parallel tho.. Parallel connections are like a black hole with no way out.. you've got to KNOW each vendors implementation details.. and we(IBM) can't..
01-07-98 20:53:45 -> Sam speaking on behalf of the *MANY* users who frequent c.o.o.storage, THANKS for all your help and support!
01-07-98 20:54:16 <os2hq> Sam: always a problem. MS doesn't worry about it because Vendors do the dirty work for a monopoly OS themselves... they have to.
01-07-98 20:54:44 <Sam> The New Removable support (aka NewDasd) brings partitioned removable support to Warp 3/Server and Warp 4. This allows FAT amd HPFS on removable media (Zip/Jaz/Syquest/...) AND
01-07-98 20:54:45 <os2hq> loves the Iomega ZIP support though.... it works PERFECTLY.
01-07-98 20:54:56 <Sam> Supports Removable as well..
01-07-98 20:55:09 <swordedge> Any news on JFS
01-07-98 20:55:38 <Sam> (gotta get the hang of this keyboard thingy.. I don't like things that enter when I'm not done yet, and I HATE autowrap...grrrrrr
01-07-98 20:55:41 <eTronik> Sam: so I can think about a removable device with confidance that OS2 will support all its features ??
01-07-98 20:55:41 * mandie would like to *save* Sam for his speakup session :)
01-07-98 20:55:42 <os2hq> Well, folks, I ordered a web sticker catalog from those guys but they don't seem to have what we need. I'll have to check again.
01-07-98 20:56:17 * Spoc wonders if they are going to leave any questions for his guest apperiance
01-07-98 20:56:21 <Spoc> hehehe
01-07-98 20:56:23 <mandie> Sam: I actually had the wrong beta of gtirc on my page..sorry..the latest is 3.0 and it saves and has no time limit
01-07-98 20:56:32 <mandie> sam: the client that you're using will timeout in 1/2 hour
01-07-98 20:56:42 <Sam> Well, you want to TRY NewDasd now?!, just hop on over to the DDPAK online, Miscellaneous Storage, OS/2 Warp section, and download it now..
01-07-98 20:56:50 -> os2hq OK.....keep checking....I think the clingy stickers are going to be the way to go
01-07-98 20:56:53 <Sam> (ctirc) figures!
01-07-98 20:56:55 <os2hq> Okay, have to go, folks. Catch you later.
01-07-98 20:57:00 <swordedge> sam, now you know how it works, a lot of reading, typing and you can do other things too (like eat supper)
01-07-98 20:57:28 <Projects> swordedge: multitasking! :)
01-07-98 20:57:47 * Projects is gonna multitask some food into his maw in a minute or two
01-07-98 20:57:56 <Sam> Hey,eating while working is a luxury..but I work at home so far, so its been a wonderful time!!
01-07-98 20:57:56 <eTronik> people : what about the Pilot ?? any support for it ?
01-07-98 20:58:03 * mandie just installed the drivers for hd's >4.3 and the busmastering features with my new mb was a help :)
01-07-98 20:58:03 * Spoc just did Projects
01-07-98 20:58:33 <eTronik> the PalmPilot that is, I just saw one today, looks great !
01-07-98 20:58:55 * Spoc isn't using the HD >4.3 with his 5 g driver... prob. should though.
01-07-98 20:59:16 <mandie> spoc: were you able to fdisk it?
01-07-98 20:59:27 <Sam> Mandie I AM using v3 and it does NOT save..
01-07-98 20:59:27 * MADodel uses SCSI, no problem with a 9.1 gig cheetah, at least not now. ;-)
01-07-98 20:59:31 <mandie> spoc: partition that is...
01-07-98 20:59:37 <Spoc> mandie: yes, but I had to mess with the bios settings.
01-07-98 20:59:39 <mandie> Mad: :P
01-07-98 20:59:43 <eTronik> anybody here using the PalmPilot PDA ?
01-07-98 21:00:21 <mandie> spoc: well, I stuck it on a copy of disk1 and reinstalled warp 4.0 on a 5.1G without a hitch
01-07-98 21:00:21 <Spoc> mandie: I cannot use LBA mode, so was stuck with only 500meg for booting.
01-07-98 21:00:38 <swordedge> MADodel: does that cheetah put out enought heat to turn off your furnace? ;-)
01-07-98 21:00:46 <Spoc> mandie: What brand it the 5.1g drive?
01-07-98 21:00:50 <mandie> spoc: well if you ever decide to reinstall..I'd get the correct driver
01-07-98 21:00:55 <Sam> Spoc, why can't you use LBA mode?
01-07-98 21:00:56 <mandie> spoc: WD Cavier
01-07-98 21:01:11 <MADodel> swordedge: Yeah, it was awlful til I put heat sinks and a fan on it.
01-07-98 21:01:15 <mandie> spoc: I upgrade hubby and my system over the holidays...and I couldn't be happier!
01-07-98 21:01:21 <Spoc> Sam: os/2 only sees a small part of my drive that way.
01-07-98 21:01:28 <eTronik> well, 2:06 am, time to get the neuronal CPU in sleep mode !!
01-07-98 21:01:31 * Spoc is using a 5.1 gig maxtor
01-07-98 21:01:35 <eTronik> bye all
01-07-98 21:01:38 -> mandie so is the DMA driver working good with the VIA chipset?
01-07-98 21:01:47 <Sam> sorry, don't understand.. I'm the co-author of the 506 driver now and we've fixed
01-07-98 21:01:48 <MADodel> bye eTronik
01-07-98 21:01:56 -> eTronik bye....and thanks for dropping in!
01-07-98 21:01:59 <Sam> a lot of those problems.. show me the /v output..
01-07-98 21:02:20 <mandie> Abraxas: seems to be...according to benchmarks...quite a speed diff between the 2 drivers...I have a 2.5G EIDE and a 5.1 UDMA
01-07-98 21:02:21 <eTronik> Abraxas: pleasure was all mine ! :-)
01-07-98 21:02:27 <Spoc> Sam: the prob is with more that just the fdisk.
01-07-98 21:02:55 <Spoc> Sam: Bootmanger too. after the drive is set up, if I change to LBA again.
01-07-98 21:03:09 <Sam> sorry, still don't get it.. I've got a 6.4 gig IDE and an 18.2 gig SCSI
01-07-98 21:03:15 * mandie would highly recommend the FIC PA 2007 mb and AMD K6 233
01-07-98 21:03:19 -> mandie that's good to hear....there have been a few posts the last couple of days in usenet asking about that very config
01-07-98 21:04:12 <mandie> abraxas: I'll have to take a look...I had no problems with configuration
01-07-98 21:04:15 <Spoc> Sam: Well, do I need to re-install boot manager after I get the 4.3>HD driver then?
01-07-98 21:04:41 <Sam> Spoc.. you can't just 'change' to LBA mode.. you have to throw away all the data and start over.. as the geometry changes..
01-07-98 21:04:57 <Spoc> Ok....
01-07-98 21:05:10 <mandie> the heads, cylinders etc are all diff..it won't read it when changed to lba
01-07-98 21:05:22 <mandie> spoc: change to lba and then do a reinstall if that's what you want to use
01-07-98 21:05:28 <Spoc> So I would have to re-install from scratch with the new driver... hmmmm
01-07-98 21:05:54 -> Spoc Yes...if you're not in LBA mode, now
01-07-98 21:06:05 <Sam> I've gotta drop off here, but at least I can get in.. Third Rock is on.. (ps tape backup is a WONDERFUL thing.. I got a TR4 SCSI drive for $100 and its saved my butt a number of times!!)
01-07-98 21:06:09 <Spoc> I'm not, or I would be in win.
01-07-98 21:06:29 -> Sam thanks for dropping by....hope to see you again, SOON
01-07-98 21:06:33 <mandie> I love Third Rock!
01-07-98 21:06:44 <mandie> Abraxas: we will :)
01-07-98 21:07:06 -> *mandie* way to go!!!!!.....That was a nice surprise
01-07-98 21:07:11 <Projects> Third Rock is about the only sci-fi that has no sci-fi in it :)
01-07-98 21:07:29 <mandie> it's entertaining :)
01-07-98 21:07:51 <Projects> yup... very :)
01-07-98 21:08:29 * Abraxas is missing Star Trek: Voyager (again)....you'd think with 2 VCRs, I'd learn to program one of them :-)
01-07-98 21:08:43 <mandie> abraxas: :)
01-07-98 21:08:43 <Projects> hahahahaha
01-07-98 21:08:51 <Projects> does it flash "12:00"?
01-07-98 21:08:59 <swordedge> There is a difference between Science Fiction or SF and Sci-Fi, the latter refers to all those B movies.
01-07-98 21:09:02 -> Projects there's that word again....."Program"
01-07-98 21:09:15 <Projects> Abraxas: :)
01-07-98 21:09:38 * Abraxas can do "Hello, World!" but not a VCR :-(
01-07-98 21:10:17 <swordedge> This weeks voyager is a repeat anyway. the episode where they dumped the warp core
01-07-98 21:10:38 -> swordedge Ohh...OK....I've seen that one *several* times
01-07-98 21:10:52 <Projects> Abraxas: you do my "Hello World"'s, and I'll fix your vcr clocks :)
01-07-98 21:11:06 -> Projects *DEAL*!!!
01-07-98 21:11:19 <Projects> hehehe
01-07-98 21:11:30 <Projects> Abraxas: you program?
01-07-98 21:11:36 <swordedge> If you have VCR Plus, there are FREE programs to generate VCR Plus codes. They only work for 30 min intervals and channels < 50 or so but that does most of what you do. They run under warp too.
01-07-98 21:11:45 * Abraxas has 1 VCR whos clock reads --:-- (at least it doesn't flash) :-)
01-07-98 21:12:09 <swordedge> till you pull the black tape from covering the clock!
01-07-98 21:12:12 * Abraxas needs a UPS for his VCRs
01-07-98 21:12:13 * Projects has one of those vcr's too, but always resets it after the power failures
01-07-98 21:12:15 * MADodel has a VCR with the same clock. :-)
01-07-98 21:12:39 <MADodel> There are just too many digital clocks in my house.
01-07-98 21:12:40 -> Projects no, I don't program...but it's on my short list
01-07-98 21:13:13 <swordedge> one of the advantages of battery operated vcr programer devices. Radio shack used to have a general one.
01-07-98 21:13:16 <Projects> Abraxas: I'd like to find an email tutor... this stuff is driving me mad...
01-07-98 21:13:28 -> swordedge I can't use VCR Plus.....C-Band Satellite doesn't "support" it
01-07-98 21:13:51 <Projects> Abraxas: no cable?
01-07-98 21:13:54 -> Projects I just signed on for a C++ class at ZDU
01-07-98 21:13:57 * Projects has both c-band and cable
01-07-98 21:14:00 <mandie> abraxas: I have my ircd setup on linux now..just have to get trixer to add my new address to the admin conf files
01-07-98 21:14:14 <mandie> abraxas: how about keeping your bot on until I get one setup?
01-07-98 21:14:17 <Projects> Abraxas: you have to go there, or is there a correspondance course?
01-07-98 21:14:26 -> mandie great.....wondered if/when you were going to get that going
01-07-98 21:14:29 <mandie> abraxas: or until agios ports os2bot to linux :)
01-07-98 21:14:35 -> mandie you find a Linux bot yet?
01-07-98 21:14:36 <swordedge> ZDU Ziff Davis University....online
01-07-98 21:14:50 -> swordedge yep
01-07-98 21:14:55 <Projects> ah, cool! Thanks swordedge
01-07-98 21:16:12 <MADodel> mandie: botty is written in C, maybe Abraxas can port it for you? ;-)
01-07-98 21:16:23 <mandie> Mad: there's a thought! :)
01-07-98 21:16:59 <swordedge> speaking of clocks, I have injoy setup to automatically set my pc clock every time I dial. It was perfectly synchronized with the tv on new years.
01-07-98 21:17:19 <swordedge> I use nistime to do that
01-07-98 21:17:46 * Abraxas uses Time868.exe
01-07-98 21:18:05 <mandie> abraxas: same here
01-07-98 21:18:06 -> My system loses about 7 seconds a week
01-07-98 21:18:10 * Projects does too
01-07-98 21:18:11 <Brancher> Abraxas: just now I'm looking at a C++ course (a little oriented to Pascal programmers) free in www... the url is http://library.advanced.org/3074/cgi-bin/awooga.cgi/index.html (don't remember what was the entry point, but I'm bookmarked from there)... don't seems bad for me
01-07-98 21:18:37 <Projects> Brancher: does it presume you know pascal?
01-07-98 21:18:43 <swordedge> that is why I do that, I think it was well over 7 second a week
01-07-98 21:18:48 -> Brancher Free is always a *good* thing
01-07-98 21:19:07 <Brancher> Projects: well, not a lot, but I think it helps :)
01-07-98 21:19:40 -> MADodel biggest problem with anyone porting the bot is that Agios won't release the source code
01-07-98 21:19:40 <Projects> Brancher: damn... tried one of those, but got lost because I don't know pascal :(
01-07-98 21:20:31 -> *Spoc* I'm going on vacation for 2 weeks......can you run VoiceBot till I get back (or until mandie gets her server back up)???
01-07-98 21:20:47 <MADodel> Abraxas: then I guess you'll have to write it from scratch.
01-07-98 21:20:56 <Projects> Abraxas: so get to work writing a bot then :)
01-07-98 21:21:00 -> MADodel hehehe....Yeah, RIGHT!!!!!
01-07-98 21:21:37 <MADodel> Come on, botty isn't that complicated. GIGO
01-07-98 21:21:57 <swordedge> MADodel, you ever written one?
01-07-98 21:22:17 <MADodel> swordedge: no, never done any pc stuff.
01-07-98 21:22:22 -> Spoc has a nice one written in REXX
01-07-98 21:22:33 -> BOT, that is
01-07-98 21:22:35 <Spoc> umm, work in progres....
01-07-98 21:23:05 -> Spoc yeah....but it does WORK well
01-07-98 21:23:05 <Spoc> It's my project to work on wile I teach myself rexx, and now vis/pro rexx
01-07-98 21:23:07 <mandie> what are the eggdrop bots written in?
01-07-98 21:23:26 <swordedge> Then it could be moved over into Netrexx and run on JAVA 1.1 on anything
01-07-98 21:23:26 <Spoc> Abraxas: hehehe, I sure spend enough time on it.
01-07-98 21:23:51 <Spoc> never tried netrexx....
01-07-98 21:23:51 -> Spoc like you have better things to do :-))))))))
01-07-98 21:24:03 <Spoc> might be easier than doing it in vis/pro.
01-07-98 21:24:10 <Spoc> Abraxas: true.
01-07-98 21:24:34 <Spoc> Abraxas: I'm tring to get it to recieve dcc's...
01-07-98 21:24:51 <Spoc> Don't have any good info on how dcc works, so it's beeing pain.
01-07-98 21:25:06 <swordedge> Netrexx purpose is to allow rexx programmers to easily generate bot java code and binaries. You can include java source as well. Netrexx itself is free from IBM
01-07-98 21:25:31 -> Spoc time to RTFM??????
01-07-98 21:25:39 <Spoc> swordedge: I'll look into it.. a java bot would be fun. ;-)
01-07-98 21:26:07 <Spoc> Abraxas: if you can find a manual on dcc, i'll read it... or a rfc, anythings....
01-07-98 21:26:37 <swordedge> The guy responcible for it spoke to our UG in raleigh, that is why I suggested it as a topic
01-07-98 21:26:55 * Projects must be blind... can't see the ZDU signup page anywhere
01-07-98 21:27:19 -> k...I'll keep my eyes open
01-07-98 21:27:38 <Spoc> I've been looking the last couple of days....
01-07-98 21:27:59 -> Spoc you ever looked at any eggy source?
01-07-98 21:28:09 <Spoc> I can figure someting out via trial and error.... got dcc recieves working that way.
01-07-98 21:28:20 <Spoc> Abraxas: No... I don't know any C.
01-07-98 21:28:40 -> ahhh....ok
01-07-98 21:28:52 <MADodel> There's another good speaker for voice - Mike Cowlishaw.
01-07-98 21:29:03 <mandie> noted
01-07-98 21:29:16 <swordedge> Spoc, check this out http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/netrexx/
01-07-98 21:29:27 <Spoc> swordedge: k.
01-07-98 21:29:31 <swordedge> I know C but not C++
01-07-98 21:29:45 <mandie> Sam: wb (welcome back) :)
01-07-98 21:29:59 <Sam> wow, everybodies still here
01-07-98 21:30:03 <swordedge> Can't afford C++ in routers
01-07-98 21:30:18 <swordedge> Yes we are. I have no life!
01-07-98 21:30:32 <Tig2> SPOC WANT THE BOOKS FOR C ?
01-07-98 21:30:38 <Spoc> re Sam
01-07-98 21:30:38 <Sam> me neither... but what the heck!!!
01-07-98 21:30:40 <mandie> anyone know where I can get info on the OS/2 Marketplace event?
01-07-98 21:30:42 <MADodel> Sam: where did you think we went?
01-07-98 21:30:46 <Spoc> Tig2: sure.
01-07-98 21:31:07 <Sam> Well, like the ostrich, if I can't see you, then you can't see me!!
01-07-98 21:31:28 <Tig2> k they'll be in the mail Friday :-)
01-07-98 21:31:43 <Spoc> Tig2: hehehe
01-07-98 21:32:10 <Projects> Abraxas: what browser are you using for ZDU??
01-07-98 21:32:17 -> Projects NS/2
01-07-98 21:32:42 <Tig2> Saw the books at the used bookstore yesterday almost got them then on spec for you :-)
01-07-98 21:32:44 <Projects> Abraxas: hmm... says that my browser (NS/2) won't work with ZDU :(
01-07-98 21:32:54 <Projects> waitaminute!
01-07-98 21:32:58 <MADodel> Projects: you have -3 in the parameters?
01-07-98 21:33:02 <mandie> projects: do you have -3 in the parameters
01-07-98 21:33:05 -> Projects in the session settings, in Parameters, set -3
01-07-98 21:33:12 <mandie> :)
01-07-98 21:33:18 <MADodel> Funny, I heard that somewhere before mandie.
01-07-98 21:33:22 <mandie> hehe
01-07-98 21:33:23 -> must be an echo in here :-)
01-07-98 21:33:27 <Projects> damn...
01-07-98 21:33:27 <Spoc> Tig2: hehehe, anything on VAC++? that's what i'm getting for a compiler... I have gcc of course
01-07-98 21:33:27 <swordedge> I almost added my own -3!
01-07-98 21:33:27 <mandie> GMTA :)
01-07-98 21:33:42 <Projects> MADodel, mandie, Abraxas: yes, I have -3 :(
01-07-98 21:33:49 <Tig2> spoc will check
01-07-98 21:33:56 <Projects> hmm
01-07-98 21:34:02 <MADodel> Projects: guess ZDU just doesn't like you then.
01-07-98 21:34:16 <mandie> projects: give me the url, I'll try to access it
01-07-98 21:34:23 <swordedge> Nothing wrong with gcc, I have seen router code compiled with cc and gcc
01-07-98 21:34:31 -> http://www.zdu.com
01-07-98 21:34:38 -> I'm there, now
01-07-98 21:34:40 <Projects> mandie: sec... just gonna fire it up again
01-07-98 21:34:51 <mandie> clear your cache
01-07-98 21:35:08 <mandie> projects: I think it's pilot error :)...I got right on
01-07-98 21:35:08 <MADodel> Isn't edm/2 running a C or C++ course as well?
01-07-98 21:35:11 <Projects> mandie: http://www.zdu.com/zdu/about/enroll.htm
01-07-98 21:36:10 -> Projects you didn't futz your cookies.txt file, did you?
01-07-98 21:36:17 <mandie> I had signed up for the REXX class at ZDU quite awhile ago..but it never came to be...so I just bought a couple of books
01-07-98 21:36:17 <Projects> odd... now it's working... hmmm
01-07-98 21:36:34 <Projects> Abraxas: never touched it. But it's working this time. Go figure
01-07-98 21:36:57 <mandie> has anyone installed orexx on a linux box?
01-07-98 21:37:05 -> Projects heh....one of life's unexplained mysteries
01-07-98 21:37:23 <Projects> Abraxas: heh... yup.
01-07-98 21:37:25 <Spoc> btw, does netrexx support java 1.1.4? I don't have 1.02 installled
01-07-98 21:37:37 -> MADodel yep.....EDM/2 is running a C class via a mailing list
01-07-98 21:37:56 <swordedge> I tried the zdu site. Worked till the register class page. Got this In order to view ZDU, you'll need to upgrade your browser to the latest versions (v.3.0) of Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer. Macintosh users: Download the
01-07-98 21:37:56 <Spoc> via mailing list.. hmmmm
01-07-98 21:38:07 -> MADodel cost was $25.00
01-07-98 21:38:30 <MADodel> Abraxas: I have Borland C++ for OS/2, but gave up a long time ago. Maybe I should give it a shot again.
01-07-98 21:38:38 <Projects> swordedge: that's exactly what I got the first time
01-07-98 21:39:05 -> MADodel I bought VAC++ 2 years ago, with the intention of learning it.....gonna give it another shot
01-07-98 21:39:07 <swordedge> I learned C at the local tech school, the cost was very reasonable. I spent far more on gas than tuition
01-07-98 21:39:14 <MADodel> swordedge: you have -3 in the parameters?
01-07-98 21:39:15 * Projects has Borland C++ for OS/2 as well
01-07-98 21:39:43 <swordedge> don't know, started the ns from the mailer so don't think so.
01-07-98 21:39:47 * Abraxas has VAC++ for OS/2, Borland C++ for OS/2 and Borland C and Turbo C++
01-07-98 21:39:51 * MADodel has VA COBOL 1.1, still hasn't gotten around to the Welcome World yet.
01-07-98 21:40:17 <Projects> swordedge: I think that was my problem too... I started it from PC/2
01-07-98 21:40:28 <swordedge> Turboc for Dos ver 2.0 circa 1988 or so
01-07-98 21:40:37 -> My 17 yr old son is taking a class in C++ this semester....I'll get him to help me :-)
01-07-98 21:41:19 -> Though the boxes make good bookends....I'd really like to learn to use it
01-07-98 21:41:21 * Spoc wishes his school had a decent computer course
01-07-98 21:41:34 <MADodel> Abraxas: my son is just 10 months old, guess it will be awhile til he can help me with it.
01-07-98 21:41:38 <Projects> Abraxas: lucky you :(
01-07-98 21:41:45 * Projects knows no one taking any courses
01-07-98 21:41:55 <swordedge> what, the vulcan academy isn't a good school!!!!
01-07-98 21:42:21 <Spoc> my only friend still going to school is majoring in music... so I can forget getting any help
01-07-98 21:42:56 <mandie> spoc: NetRexx 1.122 is the NetRexx reference implementation for Java 1.1.
01-07-98 21:43:06 <Projects> Spoc: well, maybe you'll have to take up signing :)
01-07-98 21:43:27 <Spoc> I'd have to play jaz...
01-07-98 21:43:33 <MADodel> mandie: I take it that's a new version.
01-07-98 21:43:35 <Spoc> not my cup of tea.
01-07-98 21:43:48 <Projects> hehe
01-07-98 21:44:05 <mandie> MAD: yes, it's in the "News" section of their site
01-07-98 21:45:40 <swordedge> definately check their site out, it mentions a book on creating java apps with netrexx.
01-07-98 21:45:45 <MADodel> mandie: d/l now. :-)
01-07-98 21:46:25 * MADodel has lots of books on java, C, C++ just needs to find time to read em
01-07-98 21:46:29 <mandie> I want to get orexx installed on the linux box so I can run my rexx program on that :(
01-07-98 21:46:47 <swordedge> I sometimes copy a web page to my hard drive. I use wwwCompy for it, a java 1.1 app.
01-07-98 21:47:00 -> MADodel I have lots of books, too....good thing I've got those *nice* bookends. :-)
01-07-98 21:47:02 <swordedge> wwwCopy, can't type tonight
01-07-98 21:47:13 <mandie> abraxas: hehe
01-07-98 21:47:13 * Projects uses SiClone... a java app too
01-07-98 21:47:37 <Projects> heh... I have a ton of books too, but they're all stacked up on the floor
01-07-98 21:47:49 <swordedge> even better bookends, warp 3, warp connect, ....
01-07-98 21:48:08 <mandie> OD ODPRO Process Commander :)
01-07-98 21:48:16 -> swordedge oh. I have OS/2 2.0 and 2.1 for the other bookshelf
01-07-98 21:48:37 -> Warp Connect is actually running on my Laptop
01-07-98 21:48:37 <swordedge> I have so many SF books that I have to stack them on the shelves and that aint enough
01-07-98 21:48:37 <MADodel> hmm, docs are in postscript, and I don't have a ps printer. One of these days I'll have to figure out that GhostScript stuff.
01-07-98 21:49:16 <swordedge> Takes about an hour for Ghost Script. Can be a plugin for NS/2 as well
01-07-98 21:49:36 <Spoc> I have a postscript printer.... 2 days drive away.. sheesh
01-07-98 21:49:47 <swordedge> that is why you use Ghostscript, it can print to anything warp can
01-07-98 21:50:01 <MADodel> Does adobe acrobat do postscript?
01-07-98 21:50:13 <mandie> pdf
01-07-98 21:50:18 <Spoc> my injet is dead...
01-07-98 21:50:26 <Spoc> so I don't have a priner I can use at all.
01-07-98 21:50:26 * Abraxas is going to work on figuring out the problem with my DAT drive and Adaptec 3940 controller, one of these days.....the 04-19-96 version of AIC7870.ADD is the only driver that works with it
01-07-98 21:50:41 * MADodel hands spoc a hanky.
01-07-98 21:50:45 * Abraxas nudges Sam
01-07-98 21:50:57 <Sam> MADodel: yes, Adobe can print to postscript, and set to a file you can save the output just fine.
01-07-98 21:51:11 <mandie> I stand corrected :)
01-07-98 21:51:23 <Sam> Whats the problem with the 3940? Mine works like a charm.. don't even pay attention to the FP level
01-07-98 21:51:31 <swordedge> One way of creating PDF is to save your document as EPS (Embeded postscript) and run a distiller on it to get pdf
01-07-98 21:51:37 * MADodel can only boot his AHA-2940 with the driver from Warp 3.0
01-07-98 21:51:54 <Sam> Tell me more..
01-07-98 21:52:32 -> sam I know....yours works just fine....But I have a problem with a WangDat 3400DX and the Sytos Premium driver with any (Warp 4) version of AIC7870.ADD....it doesn't recognize the tape format
01-07-98 21:52:47 <MADodel> swordedge: that sounds to complicated for me. Why can't it just be in lwp format? At least it's not in Word97. :-)
01-07-98 21:53:50 <Sam> Did you turn down the rate and turn off Sync Neg.. this WangDat tape is finicky
01-07-98 21:54:00 <swordedge> to get the EPS file, you print it to ANY PS printer driver and tell it to print to file instead. Allows you to use anything that will print to PS
01-07-98 21:54:35 -> Sam I'll look at that....I don't think I fiddled with anything on the card
01-07-98 21:55:09 <Sam> Well, there were some bugs that Adaptec 'fixed' in the FP1/2 drop, accidentally..
01-07-98 21:55:30 -> hehehe....LOL
01-07-98 21:56:15 <Sam> Anyone have a clear view of the hot coming hardware? And how bad off we appear?
01-07-98 21:56:27 -> Sam a "Feature Enhancement" ?
01-07-98 21:56:59 <Sam> Yeh, wait til you see what happens with >8.4 gig SCSI on 2940 <1.25 bios and the new driver, ouch!!
01-07-98 21:57:06 -> Sam I look at USB and wonder what *that* future is?
01-07-98 21:57:19 <swordedge> The hottest thing I know of comming is firewire. It is supposed to outrun UW SCSI
01-07-98 21:57:34 <MADodel> Sam: I have a 9.1 Gig cheetah on a 2940
01-07-98 21:57:52 -> MADodel Uh-Oh.......
01-07-98 21:58:05 <Sam> Well, USB/FireWire is the dream to reduce cables and get speed and simplicity.. something has GOT to give here..
01-07-98 21:58:19 <Sam> MADodel: what bios level 2940?
01-07-98 21:58:40 <MADodel> Sam: not the latest
01-07-98 21:58:46 <swordedge> all 10,000 rpm worth. put it in a portable and you'd never fall over because of the gyroscoptic effects!!
01-07-98 21:58:58 <Sam> MADodel: is >1 gig support enabled on the card or not? If on, then you're probably ok..
01-07-98 21:59:21 <MADodel> Sam: yes >1gig is enabled.
01-07-98 21:59:49 <Sam> OK, then you're probably ok.. the 'enhanced' driver misread the eprom info (off 1 byte) and
01-07-98 21:59:57 <MADodel> But I can't use the Warp 4.0 driver. I've tried everyone since the original and it always hangs on boot.
01-07-98 22:00:06 <Sam> enabled it even it you had it off.. made for some scambled disks..
01-07-98 22:00:51 <Sam> I'm running the 18.2 gig Marlin Ultrastar XP on my 3940.. SO nice to have disk space..and fast!!
01-07-98 22:00:54 <MADodel> Even with pnp disabled. Only the Warp 3.0 driver works
01-07-98 22:01:40 <Sam> PnP is ISA only.. (I'm the Warp 4 PnP configurator developer)
01-07-98 22:01:43 <swordedge> with that much space, time to get a hardware MPEG encoder and use the PC for your vcr!
01-07-98 22:01:44 *** Abraxas is now known as Homer
01-07-98 22:01:54 -> Hmmmmmmm 18 gig.......
01-07-98 22:02:02 *** Homer is now known as Abraxas
01-07-98 22:02:15 <Sam> Nah, gotta get a TV tuner card to fill my last PCI slot..!!
01-07-98 22:02:28 <Spoc> hehehe
01-07-98 22:02:48 <MADodel> Sam: what do you mean ISA only? All my PCI pnp cards show up fine in hardware manager
01-07-98 22:02:51 <Spoc> but do any TV tuners have drivers? hmmm
01-07-98 22:03:42 <swordedge> I2O is supposed to solve most driver problems
01-07-98 22:03:47 <Sam> Hardware Manager shows ONLY what the drivers report (aka, its a graphical rmview /d). rmview /DC shows the PnP view, and ONLY from the commandline..
01-07-98 22:04:24 <Spoc> hmmm, didn't know abotu the /dc, i'll have to remember that
01-07-98 22:04:29 <Sam> Yes, I2O, we have the disk driver for this already on the DDPAK.. it just forces the driver out one level to the OS on the card instead of the OS on the main processor..
01-07-98 22:05:20 <swordedge> then we'll have it when we need it?
01-07-98 22:05:52 <Sam> swordedge: ? was that directed to me?? If so, yes, you have it already
01-07-98 22:06:10 <swordedge> cooool
01-07-98 22:06:13 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 22:06:48 <Sam> Homer: yeh the 18 gig drive (and the 9.1) are available at www.onsale.com incredibly cheaper than anyplace else one could buy them..
01-07-98 22:06:59 <swordedge> And I am jelous, have trouble keeping space on my 1 gig. All scsi so can't upgrade till I find work
01-07-98 22:07:41 <Sam> Spoc: Haupauge TV cards have OS/2 drivers. the App is not as nice as the WinTV version tho.. same old story..
01-07-98 22:07:57 <Spoc> Sam: ok..
01-07-98 22:08:02 -> Sam I was at onsale this past weekend....couldn't find anything else, I was laughing so hard at the people bidding $100.00/ea for 32meg EDO SIMMs
01-07-98 22:08:20 * Spoc would like to get the add on card to him matrox mytique.....
01-07-98 22:08:33 <Spoc> but I havn't seen any driver for it :-(
01-07-98 22:08:36 <mandie> abraxas: wow! I got 32meg SDRAM for $49
01-07-98 22:09:03 <Sam> Abraxas: yeh, even today they are at $49, for stuff you can buy for 39?? makes no sense.. but the disk was cheap approx $500 for the 9.1, 1400 for the 18.2
01-07-98 22:09:05 -> mandie yep.....imagine paying $100.00 apiece for 32meg EDO SIMMs !!!!!
01-07-98 22:09:19 <mandie> abraxas: not I :)
01-07-98 22:09:23 <MADodel> Sam: that UW?
01-07-98 22:09:33 * Abraxas just bought 4 32meg SIMMs for $39.00/ea
01-07-98 22:09:49 <Sam> MADodel: the 18.2 is UW, the 9.1 is FW
01-07-98 22:09:58 <swordedge> just checked out your onsale site... this was on it Micropolis 8.7GB Narrow SCSI Hard Drive from $99
01-07-98 22:10:16 <swordedge> sounds like 10MB/s
01-07-98 22:10:19 -> MICROPOLIS!!!! aaakkkkk....
01-07-98 22:10:27 * Abraxas coughs up a furball
01-07-98 22:10:30 <MADodel> Micropolis is defunct from what I hear
01-07-98 22:10:39 <Sam> yada-yada.. FROM 99.. its more like 300 when the bidding is over..
01-07-98 22:10:50 <swordedge> maybe that is why they are giving them away
01-07-98 22:11:06 -> Micropolis "just ain't what they used to be"
01-07-98 22:11:08 <Spoc> Sam: nop.. they have been only going up to 149 or so...
01-07-98 22:11:13 * Spoc has been watching.
01-07-98 22:11:40 -> MADodel defunct....bankrupt....
01-07-98 22:11:57 <swordedge> how do you do that * statement * stuff
01-07-98 22:12:09 <Sam> Spoc: I've been watching those all week (8.7's) and the group that closed today at 11:30 pacfic time was $289 for the narrow, $389 for the wide.. both STARTED at 99...
01-07-98 22:12:09 <MADodel> Abraxas: I heard their parent just closed them down.
01-07-98 22:12:15 -> swordedge type /me in front of the text
01-07-98 22:12:22 <Spoc> I haven't watch the last few days..
01-07-98 22:13:03 -> MADodel I heard they were bankrupt....but not confirmed....all I know is that the last few Micropolis drives I've run across were DOA
01-07-98 22:13:06 <Sam> bought a FD 1680 ISA scsi adapter for $25.. like I need another spare adapter.. I've got more stuff than I can shake a stick at!!
01-07-98 22:13:31 <Spoc> :-)
01-07-98 22:13:44 <mandie> Sam: never know when you might need it! :)
01-07-98 22:13:55 -> Sam I heard that.....I have *way* too many toys, here
01-07-98 22:13:59 <Spoc> You wouldn't happen to have a network card for an old ps/2 486? hehehehe
01-07-98 22:14:39 <Sam> We have a local computer show each weekend, where the local vendors get darned close to mail order and also have used stuff.. so its my time out and its fun to see the competition..
01-07-98 22:14:57 <Sam> Spoc: what kind you looking for? TR or Ethernet?
01-07-98 22:15:04 <Spoc> Sounds like fun.
01-07-98 22:15:11 <swordedge> SAM local = Detroit?
01-07-98 22:15:13 <Spoc> ethernet.
01-07-98 22:15:48 <mandie> swordedge: are you in the Detroit area?
01-07-98 22:15:58 <Sam> Local = Detroit, yes.. I picked up a Seagate CTT8000RS Scsi TR4 tape drive for $100. retail is $300..
01-07-98 22:16:14 <swordedge> Raleigh Durham... RTP
01-07-98 22:16:19 <mandie> Sam: are you at the IBM in Southfield?
01-07-98 22:16:25 <Sam> Hm... Ethernet, MCA.. I've got ONE I know of..
01-07-98 22:16:28 * Spoc lives in a small city.
01-07-98 22:16:36 <Spoc> so I miss out on the good stuff usualy.
01-07-98 22:16:48 <Sam> mandie: well, I work at home, so no not at that IBM building.. my boss is in Austin Tx
01-07-98 22:16:49 <Spoc> 'cept when I travell of course.
01-07-98 22:17:03 <swordedge> Sam, mine was call connor (they develped it then got bought) and coust 429 with BA/2 PRO
01-07-98 22:17:07 <Projects> Spoc: can't be smaller than this place
01-07-98 22:17:17 <mandie> Sam: ah, I live about 25miles from Detroit..small world :)
01-07-98 22:17:41 <MADodel> swordedge: I have the same drive from APS I think I paid about $500. :-(
01-07-98 22:17:51 <Sam> swordedge: yeh, it says conner on the inquiry string, seagate on the label.. had BA/2 already
01-07-98 22:18:03 <mandie> Sam: maybe we can get you to speak at one of the GDOUG (Greater Detroit OS/2 USer Group) meetings..we hold them at the Stardock office on 6mile and Farmington rd
01-07-98 22:18:18 <Sam> mandie: yeh I live in Farmington, north and west of IBM building.
01-07-98 22:19:01 <mandie> talk about a small world!
01-07-98 22:19:08 <swordedge> Here it is more like IBM site.... something like 13,000 IBMers here
01-07-98 22:19:15 <Sam> mandie: I've been trying to get to the UG mtgs, but they seem to happen at the worst time.. like when I'm traveling.. I spent a year flying to Boca on Monday, back on Friday.. (sept 95-Sept 95...ugh)
01-07-98 22:19:52 <mandie> Sam: ah, well we have a mtg tomorrow night at 6:30 if you're interested
01-07-98 22:20:33 <Sam> mandie.. hm: will put that on the list of things to look at doing..
01-07-98 22:20:42 <mandie> Sam: great :)
01-07-98 22:21:10 <swordedge> at least you two will know what each other looks like
01-07-98 22:21:19 <Sam> mandie: that local show schedule is at url http://www.gatecom.com/computer.html
01-07-98 22:21:34 <mandie> checking
01-07-98 22:22:11 <mandie> those are the ones I go to!
01-07-98 22:22:29 <Sam> swordedge: hey, virtual people are nice too!.. I've received tons of mail from all over the world in the last 5 years, and its been wonderful.. this is the NICE part of the job!!
01-07-98 22:22:33 <mandie> I was at the show in Livonia last weekend
01-07-98 22:23:06 <mandie> and Taylor the week before x-mas
01-07-98 22:23:09 <MADodel> Well gonna call it a night. Baby will be up in a couple of hours and I have to get at least a couple hours of sleep. Good night all.
01-07-98 22:23:18 <Sam> I go EVERY weekend.. bought two tape drives and some speakers in Livonia last weekend, tape drive and some memory weekend before at Madison Heights!
01-07-98 22:23:19 -> cya, MADodel
01-07-98 22:23:23 <Sam> MADodel: cu
01-07-98 22:23:54 <mandie> Sam: picked up cdrom, floppy drive, 8megs memory and mini-tower case last weekend :)
01-07-98 22:24:57 <Sam> yeh, I upgraded all 4 kids machines for XMAS, I have a small lan in the house, and an ISDN router to the net and work. 2 older kids in college.. Older son brought CDR drive for XMAS present...
01-07-98 22:25:11 <mandie> the case is child-proof..(they think) going to build a machine for my grandaughter :)
01-07-98 22:25:45 <swordedge> no such thing as child proof, parent proof maybe
01-07-98 22:25:57 <mandie> Sam: ah, I got everything at the shows to upgrade mine and hubby's machines...before I had bought everything over the net..but they have good prices and you don't pay shipping
01-07-98 22:26:00 <mandie> sword: exactly :)
01-07-98 22:26:13 -> swordedge That's what I said....I asked her if it was encased in Lucite
01-07-98 22:26:25 <mandie> abraxas: hehe
01-07-98 22:28:37 <swordedge> Hamfest are just about the only place I have seen tr4 tapes
01-07-98 22:29:18 <Sam> Well, this worked out better than I had hoped, and I think I'll be able to manage the flow when its for real.. guess I'll go finish the dishes, and spend some more time looking at the changes to the com driver...
01-07-98 22:29:29 <mandie> Sam: there are more *local* shows listed here.. http://www.dwteck.com/
01-07-98 22:29:34 <Sam> TR4 tapes ARE expensive
01-07-98 22:29:39 <Projects> well... gotta run. Laters...
01-07-98 22:29:40 -> Sam work work work :-)
01-07-98 22:29:48 <mandie> some of the same vendors attend the show in Westland
01-07-98 22:29:57 <Sam> well, its more fun that work!!
01-07-98 22:30:01 <swordedge> better than 40 bucks for them
01-07-98 22:30:08 <Sam> yes, I go to the Westland show as well..
01-07-98 22:30:20 <mandie> ah
01-07-98 22:30:21 -> Sam...thanks for dropping in.....come back soon....we meet here the 1st and 3rd Wed of each month
01-07-98 22:30:27 <Sam> I got 2 for $49 at CompUSA at XMAS..
01-07-98 22:31:07 <Sam> Well, I'll put this on my schedule.. I'm getting to the point where I need to automate some of my get togethers..so they just happen on time!!
01-07-98 22:31:17 -> LOL
01-07-98 22:31:24 <mandie> :)
01-07-98 22:31:39 <Sam> Yeh, that and a quarter won't get me anything anymore..
01-07-98 22:32:29 <Sam> in a meeting today somebosy said that they felt like they were painting themselves into a corner with a tiny brush.. good news was that it looked like they were running out of paint..
01-07-98 22:32:43 -> I have to go, too....but sleep is next on my agenda :-)
01-07-98 22:32:48 <Tig2> I have a five month old grandson that e-mails every week. gets mad when mommy won't let him play.
01-07-98 22:32:49 <mandie> hehehe
01-07-98 22:33:08 <Sam> I'm outa here!! thanks for the education and chat.. til next time
01-07-98 22:33:08 <mandie> Tig2: does he use pmmail or mrice ?
01-07-98 22:33:15 <mandie> Sam: see ya
01-07-98 22:33:16 -> cya, Sam
01-07-98 22:33:52 -> mandie I'd call this a good meeting......what about you?
01-07-98 22:33:58 <mandie> sure would :)
01-07-98 22:34:09 <mandie> now we just need more participants
01-07-98 22:34:16 -> yup
01-07-98 22:34:50 <Tig2> mandie: Mommy hasn't got os/2, yet... Still working on her education.... Some kids can't tell 'em a thing. He he.
01-07-98 22:34:52 -> If half the users who frequent c.o.o.storage knew that Sam was going to be here, we'd have had to go +m
01-07-98 22:34:59 <mandie> tig2: I have my 2 1/2 y.o. grandaughter learning her name and abc's on the kb :)
01-07-98 22:35:18 <swordedge> find a list of os/2 UG's and sigs and ask the person incharge to anounce the meetings.
01-07-98 22:35:23 <mandie> abraxas: let's not rush into anything just yet :)
01-07-98 22:35:34 <mandie> swordedge: been there..done that
01-07-98 22:35:57 <swordedge> My niece had a habit of grabing the mouse and running at 2 1/2 years
01-07-98 22:36:07 <mandie> ewwww :)
01-07-98 22:36:24 <Tig2> mandie: koolidge... I've only got one kid not online... Her comp went blewie. It's fun keeping in touch.
01-07-98 22:36:36 <swordedge> hard on the pc.
01-07-98 22:37:03 <mandie> Tig2: sure is..my daughter is going to school in Luxembourg..thank goodness for email!
01-07-98 22:37:30 <Tig2> Yea and me too, it was my old one... I think I've got comp parts all over n/america in various kid's comps.
01-07-98 22:37:37 -> Well, I gotta go.....getting mighty sleepy in here :-)
01-07-98 22:38:06 -> mandie I'll clean up the logfile tomorrow night, and e-mail it to ptack for the web site
01-07-98 22:38:18 <Tig2> sweet zzzz :-) Abrax
01-07-98 22:38:23 <mandie> abraxas: ok, nite :)
01-07-98 22:38:23 <swordedge> bye guys
01-07-98 22:38:30 -> Tig2 you know it!
01-07-98 22:38:34 <mandie> sword: g'nite..thx for coming :)
01-07-98 22:38:46 -> cya, swordedge
01-07-98 22:39:06 -> g'night, all
01-07-98 22:39:11 *** Log Terminated.