02-04-98 19:55:26 *** Log Activated #VOICE (E:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\#VOICE.log)
02-04-98 19:55:43 * mandie has spent the last 2 days painting the new puter room...few more hours tomorrow and it will be done! whew
02-04-98 19:55:48 <mTnBkR> I was pouring a beer and #voice just popped into my head! Thought I'd stop in.
02-04-98 19:56:03 -> mandie: btw, I called Ameritech today....Feb 26 is the date for my ISDN installation :-))))))
02-04-98 19:56:05 <mandie> mtnbkr: so you're hearing voices ?
02-04-98 19:56:06 <trixer> mtn; you better stay too!
02-04-98 19:56:07 <trixer> :>
02-04-98 19:56:13 <mandie> Abraxas: kewl!!!
02-04-98 19:56:22 <trixer> Abraxas: awesome!
02-04-98 19:56:30 -> mandie IOC: S
02-04-98 19:56:31 <mandie> Abraxas: the S & U was the IOC
02-04-98 19:56:38 <mandie> Abraxas: :)
02-04-98 19:56:40 <mTnBkR> mandie: THAT is my next chore... I am sitting on the floor in front of my new 17" monitor, waitiung to build my new hutch/desk. but not before this room is painted. :)
02-04-98 19:57:05 <SunnyBear> sounds like us last august, huh trixer
02-04-98 19:57:13 <trixer> yeah
02-04-98 19:57:17 <mandie> well, this room is next so I can make this smaller room into the grandaughters bedroom (nap room ) :)
02-04-98 19:57:26 <trixer> and we still haven't painted
02-04-98 19:57:28 *** Ike (chilton@pm3-1-55.nashville.com) has joined #voice [19:57:28]
02-04-98 19:57:30 <trixer> :>
02-04-98 19:57:34 * Abraxas doesn't need to paint his 'puter romm....can't see the walls (or the floor, for that matter)
02-04-98 19:57:37 <mandie> Ike: hello
02-04-98 19:57:44 <mandie> abraxas: hehe
02-04-98 19:58:03 -> But I gotta find some wall space for that new phone-jack
02-04-98 19:58:55 <mTnBkR> Abraxas: it took me a whole evening to even come close to cleaning out this place, and I am stll not finished. I know how you feel.
02-04-98 19:59:07 <mTnBkR> What's the agenda tonight?
02-04-98 19:59:22 *** Projects (plazenby@kitimat-2-12.yellowhead16.net) has joined #voice [19:59:22]
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02-04-98 19:59:25 -> Meeting Schedule changes, for one
02-04-98 19:59:56 <Projects> Voicebot's had an attitude adjustment I see :)
02-04-98 20:00:11 -> Projects nope....that one's mine.....
02-04-98 20:00:14 <trixer> Projects: nah, a replacement
02-04-98 20:00:15 <mandie> projects: nope..it's abraxas' bot :)
02-04-98 20:00:15 <trixer> :)
02-04-98 20:00:21 -> mandie's is on sick-leave
02-04-98 20:00:22 <Projects> Abraxas: ah... :)
02-04-98 20:00:23 <SunnyBear> ah... but Projects, are yer eyes deceiving you?
02-04-98 20:00:24 <trixer> j/k
02-04-98 20:00:26 *** TimurTabi (TimurTabi@as2-dialup-36.wc-aus.io.com) has joined #VOICE [20:00:26]
02-04-98 20:00:34 -> Hiya, Timur
02-04-98 20:00:37 <TimurTabi> hi
02-04-98 20:00:39 <mTnBkR> Are we expecting Tim Sipples?
02-04-98 20:00:41 <Projects> SunnyBear: never :)
02-04-98 20:00:42 <mandie> Timur!!! hi :)
02-04-98 20:00:44 <SunnyBear> TimurTabiSugar
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02-04-98 20:00:50 <mandie> mtnbkr: Tim is due the 18th
02-04-98 20:00:51 <trixer> TimurTabi!!!!!!
02-04-98 20:00:53 <pets2> hello
02-04-98 20:01:01 *** pets2 is now known as petpipe
02-04-98 20:01:02 <SunnyBear> pets2Sugar
02-04-98 20:01:03 <trixer> :>
02-04-98 20:01:03 -> mTnBkR no....Tim is the 18th
02-04-98 20:01:04 <mTnBkR> mandie: Ahh... Ok, Better ste myself a note.
02-04-98 20:01:06 <mandie> we could talk about the win32 project thought :)
02-04-98 20:01:09 * TimurTabi needs to make dinner
02-04-98 20:01:28 *** dirdir (diin@lw01-00.dial.xs4all.nl) has joined #voice [20:01:28]
02-04-98 20:01:32 <petpipe> i was wondering actually about the new edm/2 proposal which i think we got screwed
02-04-98 20:01:43 -> *TheSeer* See....you never know who's going to show up :-)))
02-04-98 20:01:44 <TimurTabi> it'd be more interesting to talk about once the beta's out.
02-04-98 20:01:49 <mandie> petpipe: referring to the interview with IBM?
02-04-98 20:01:49 <TimurTabi> edm/2 proposal?
02-04-98 20:01:51 <petpipe> yeah
02-04-98 20:02:04 <TimurTabi> petpipe: but none of that info is new.
02-04-98 20:02:07 <petpipe> there was no mention of os/2 from ibm
02-04-98 20:02:09 * Projects looks at Timur... "Still wondering if that fax made it..."
02-04-98 20:02:11 <petpipe> hmmm
02-04-98 20:02:15 * TimurTabi doesn't understand what all the fuss is.
02-04-98 20:02:28 <TimurTabi> projects: never saw it. - someone is stealing my faxes
02-04-98 20:02:31 <petpipe> is this usually a moderated room?...just curious
02-04-98 20:02:41 <mandie> Timur: me either...they just layed it on the table
02-04-98 20:02:42 <trixer> it looks like IBM is dumpng anything under 2000 employees again
02-04-98 20:02:48 <Projects> Timur: hmm... well, it went ok from this end.
02-04-98 20:02:50 <mandie> petpipe: only when we have a guest speaker
02-04-98 20:02:55 <petpipe> i see
02-04-98 20:03:05 -> petpipe no.....except when we have guest speakers
02-04-98 20:03:16 <TimurTabi> I have a new Crystal and OS/2 web page coming
02-04-98 20:03:25 -> hmmmm....must be an echo in here :-)
02-04-98 20:03:31 <petpipe> :>
02-04-98 20:03:57 <TimurTabi> brb - dinner time
02-04-98 20:04:00 <mandie> trixer: no their not..they are just targeting Enterprise and will continue to develop and support..but they won't develop what the end users want..just the *big* boys..and WSOD is the future for os2
02-04-98 20:04:05 -> TimurTabi have you ever tested your Crystal drivers with an Audiotrix Pro card?
02-04-98 20:04:28 <trixer> mandie: doesn't that equal 200 employees+?
02-04-98 20:04:34 <trixer> err 2000?
02-04-98 20:04:38 <mandie> trixer: 2000 yes :)
02-04-98 20:04:46 <trixer> wb _Theseer
02-04-98 20:04:57 -> 200-2000 (medium) 2000+ (large)
02-04-98 20:05:03 <mandie> but they will support and upgrade the client...who knows for how long :(
02-04-98 20:05:20 * trixer inspects mandies pork for narcotics
02-04-98 20:05:41 * mandie doesn't DO drugs :)
02-04-98 20:05:53 -> triptophan (oh, wait, that's poultry) :-)
02-04-98 20:05:54 <trixer> mandie: just kidding
02-04-98 20:05:57 <petpipe> <..first VOICE meeting..wondering if we going to have a focus
02-04-98 20:06:01 <Projects> mandie does nytol though...
02-04-98 20:06:06 <SunnyBear> hten it was pork juice that splashed in yer eye, right mandie?
02-04-98 20:06:08 <mandie> projects: hehe
02-04-98 20:06:15 <mandie> right sunny! :)
02-04-98 20:06:19 <trixer> :-)
02-04-98 20:06:23 <SunnyBear> I knew it..
02-04-98 20:06:25 <SunnyBear> hehehe
02-04-98 20:06:25 -> petpipe yes.....but it's also a free forum
02-04-98 20:06:26 <mandie> ok, lets start the mtg
02-04-98 20:06:33 -> YES!!
02-04-98 20:06:37 <petpipe> :-)
02-04-98 20:06:57 * Abraxas (in his most regal voice)
02-04-98 20:07:05 -> This meeting will now begin!
02-04-98 20:07:12 <trixer> IBM's song; Off we go into the wild blue yonder, End-users, are stuck with M$
02-04-98 20:07:36 * mandie pounds the kb with the gravel
02-04-98 20:07:40 <trixer> but
02-04-98 20:07:41 * Projects will fight the forcing to MS all the way
02-04-98 20:07:46 -> #1: ... Meeting Schedule
02-04-98 20:08:19 -> The BOD seems to be in agreement to change the General Meeting day to Monday
02-04-98 20:08:40 * petpipe says "why not?"
02-04-98 20:09:00 -> I've been asked to propose changing the time to 1 or 2 hours earlier (for the benefit of our overseas members
02-04-98 20:09:29 -> JHP what time is it (your time)?
02-04-98 20:09:36 <mandie> abraxas: I don't know who has asked you to propose this...but I have input on it
02-04-98 20:09:38 <JHP> 2:09 AM
02-04-98 20:09:51 * petpipe shakes his head..u still awake?
02-04-98 20:10:01 -> mandie users asked me (just tonight)
02-04-98 20:10:02 <JHP> Have to be up in 5 hours.
02-04-98 20:10:06 * Projects can't make meetings earlier than 5:00pm PST
02-04-98 20:10:23 -> Projects which is 8:00PM EST
02-04-98 20:10:24 <Projects> PDT either
02-04-98 20:10:56 <mandie> Abraxas: ok, we had several requests for earlier meetings..but found that the majority of people were in the states...in order to accomodate those requests...
02-04-98 20:11:09 <JHP> Which is 01:00 GMT
02-04-98 20:11:17 <mandie> we started having an additional meeting on Sat at 12Noon....
02-04-98 20:11:25 <Projects> Abraxas: yup
02-04-98 20:11:31 <mandie> this seemed acceptable to those that had requested earlier times
02-04-98 20:11:46 <mandie> but......we didn't have 1 person show up for any of the meetings
02-04-98 20:11:49 -> mandie what happened to the Sat. meetings?
02-04-98 20:11:51 <JHP> Sounds good.
02-04-98 20:11:54 <Projects> I thought no one showed up at those meetings
02-04-98 20:11:56 -> Oh....
02-04-98 20:12:08 <mandie> so the board sat there for 1 hour each sat for a month....so we discontinued
02-04-98 20:12:15 <mandie> Projects: exactly
02-04-98 20:12:18 -> IC
02-04-98 20:12:41 <petpipe> what is usually the turn out at the majority of the meetings?
02-04-98 20:12:52 <mandie> abraxas: what I would suggest
02-04-98 20:12:57 <TimurTabi> abraxas: I don't test sound cards
02-04-98 20:13:08 <mandie> send out a poll to all members and see what the consensus for times are
02-04-98 20:13:14 <Projects> petpipe: depends... we've had as low as 3, and higher than 80...
02-04-98 20:13:37 <petpipe> wow...i think a consensus is a good idea
02-04-98 20:14:00 -> mandie: the keyword being....MEMBERS??
02-04-98 20:14:10 <mandie> abraxas: yes
02-04-98 20:14:12 <Projects> heh
02-04-98 20:14:16 <petpipe> send the consensus through waprcast or through the VOICE mailings
02-04-98 20:14:17 <petpipe> ?
02-04-98 20:14:40 <mandie> or we could do a general consensus...that sounds good
02-04-98 20:15:00 <mandie> petpipe=peter piper?
02-04-98 20:15:02 -> http://www.os2voice.org/membership.html
02-04-98 20:15:27 <petpipe> yes that is me :)
02-04-98 20:15:27 <petpipe> one of the peters that is
02-04-98 20:15:28 <petpipe> hehehhe
02-04-98 20:15:39 <mandie> petpipe: great!!! thanks for your input on the VOICE help list :)
02-04-98 20:15:50 <petpipe> no problem
02-04-98 20:17:33 *** CTCP PING (Projects) (#voice)
02-04-98 20:17:33 *** Signoff: Projects (Read error: 0 (Success)) [20:17:33]
02-04-98 20:17:34 *** Projects :is not on IRC (No such nick/channel)
02-04-98 20:17:34 *** Projects :is not on IRC (No such nick/channel)
02-04-98 20:17:34 * petpipe is wondering who vince is...i would like to say hello to him in a chat settings
02-04-98 20:17:42 <mandie> if we are considering changing times also..then I think that we should make note that the day is changing to Mondays and we would like input from the general public as to what time would be the most convenient for them to attend...we want this change to take affect in March
02-04-98 20:17:47 <JHP> I'm going to my bed and try to get some sleep.
02-04-98 20:17:56 <petpipe> cya JHP
02-04-98 20:18:04 <mandie> petpipe: vince has never attended..he maintains our mailing lists..avid Team OS/2 er :)
02-04-98 20:18:05 -> *TimuTabi* I don't expect that you'd test every sound card that used a Crystal chipset....but I have an Audiotrix Pro, and I tried one of your drivers, once, and it failed miserably.....I just wondered if you had any experience and/or insight into this card?
02-04-98 20:18:06 *** TimuTabi :is not on IRC (No such nick/channel)
02-04-98 20:18:16 <JHP> Bye.
02-04-98 20:18:24 -> *TimurTabi* I don't expect that you'd test every sound card that used a Crystal chipset....but I have an Audiotrix Pro, and I tried one of your drivers, once, and it failed miserably.....I just wondered if you had any experience and/or insight into this card?
02-04-98 20:18:25 <petpipe> i see... BTW, why are the days changing from thur. to mon?
02-04-98 20:18:27 <JHP> SeeYa.
02-04-98 20:18:39 <mandie> Wed to mon...
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02-04-98 20:18:49 <mandie> #1 reason is so that our President can attend :)
02-04-98 20:18:59 *** Projects (plazenby@kitimat-2-12.yellowhead16.net) has joined #VOICE [20:18:59]
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02-04-98 20:19:00 -> mandie should we begin the new schedule in March??
02-04-98 20:19:02 <petpipe> oh..yeah..i have had an intense two days... the pres. is a good idea :)
02-04-98 20:19:07 <petpipe> wb projects
02-04-98 20:19:18 <petpipe> i think that is too late..feb. 15?
02-04-98 20:19:26 <mandie> Abraxas: yes
02-04-98 20:19:27 * Projects got stuck out there in cyberspace :p
02-04-98 20:19:39 <mandie> petpipe: we already have Tim Sipples setup for 2/18
02-04-98 20:19:46 <petpipe> ahhh
02-04-98 20:19:50 -> petpipe We already have a guest scheduled for Feb 18th
02-04-98 20:19:57 <mandie> that gives us almost a month to get public input
02-04-98 20:19:58 * petpipe loves the echo
02-04-98 20:20:02 <mandie> lol
02-04-98 20:20:02 -> there's that echo, again :-)
02-04-98 20:20:26 -> I'll just shut up and listen, now :-)
02-04-98 20:20:32 <petpipe> LOL abraxas
02-04-98 20:20:41 <mandie> I will definetly get the email out this weekend for the Backup speakers
02-04-98 20:20:47 <mandie> it's been busy around here :(
02-04-98 20:21:06 -> mandie what about the Backup "shootout" for March???
02-04-98 20:21:18 <Projects> been busy here too, but unfortunately it's been with work stuff, not voice stuff
02-04-98 20:21:23 <mandie> Abraxas: that's what I'm *shooting* for :)
02-04-98 20:21:28 -> hehe
02-04-98 20:21:56 <mandie> ok, I'm done :)
02-04-98 20:22:05 * mandie doesn't know when to shut-up! :)
02-04-98 20:22:13 <mandie> where's madodel tonight ???
02-04-98 20:22:18 -> My fingers are severely lagged from my eyes, tonite :-)
02-04-98 20:22:21 <mandie> anyone logging?
02-04-98 20:22:26 -> I am
02-04-98 20:22:30 <mandie> great :)
02-04-98 20:22:31 <petpipe> i can
02-04-98 20:22:39 <SunnyBear> me too
02-04-98 20:22:58 -> MADodel is probably having problems with his cable modem again :-(
02-04-98 20:23:10 <petpipe> i seems as if the meeting scheduling is outof the way..it is agreed that is
02-04-98 20:23:34 <Projects> what happened there... I missed it.
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02-04-98 20:23:48 <os2hq> Howdy, neighbors!
02-04-98 20:23:51 <mandie> abraxas: I would like to make one more suggestion
02-04-98 20:23:55 -> petpipe apparantley.....General meetings to be held 1st and 3rd Monday of each month (but watch for announcements....we may do weekly meetings in March)
02-04-98 20:23:56 <Projects> hey os2hq
02-04-98 20:24:04 -> mandie yes????
02-04-98 20:24:16 <mandie> abraxas: seeing as we are changing to Mon to accomodate David...we should also check with him as to his time schedule
02-04-98 20:24:25 <petpipe> lo os2hq
02-04-98 20:24:25 <mandie> don't want to defeat our purpose of changing the days
02-04-98 20:24:32 <os2hq> hey proj, pet.
02-04-98 20:24:46 -> mandie good idea....I believe he agreed to Monday based on the 8:00PM (EST) time
02-04-98 20:24:53 <os2hq> Sun/Mon then?
02-04-98 20:24:58 <mandie> abraxas: right
02-04-98 20:25:01 -> os2hq yup
02-04-98 20:25:05 <os2hq> cool.
02-04-98 20:25:38 * Abraxas could do 6:00PM EST (for the record)....at the earliest
02-04-98 20:25:49 * petpipe couldn't
02-04-98 20:25:56 * Projects couldn't
02-04-98 20:26:17 <os2hq> 7PM EST - 10PM EST okay.
02-04-98 20:26:18 <Projects> well... some days I could, but most not
02-04-98 20:26:18 <mandie> I really think 8EST is the best time for all
02-04-98 20:26:23 -> Herein lies the problem with an "International" usergroup....timezones!!!!!!
02-04-98 20:26:29 <os2hq> Heh.
02-04-98 20:26:34 <petpipe> LOL abraxas
02-04-98 20:26:56 <mandie> abraxas: true...but we have transcripts/logs/mailing listst
02-04-98 20:27:01 * petpipe wondering if he should go back and read chaucer for class tomorrow
02-04-98 20:27:02 -> I know there are a few users online, now, that are falling asleep
02-04-98 20:27:17 * petpipe agrees with abraxas
02-04-98 20:27:19 -> And a few that haven't had dinner, yet
02-04-98 20:27:21 * mTnBkR is wondering about the voice mailing list...
02-04-98 20:27:45 <mandie> mtnbkr: we have a few in place..and also a help mailing list
02-04-98 20:27:54 <mandie> mtnbkr: check out http://www.os2voice.org
02-04-98 20:27:59 <os2hq> likes the help mailing list idea!
02-04-98 20:28:02 <petpipe> what is the exact question mtnbkr
02-04-98 20:28:03 <mTnBkR> thnx
02-04-98 20:28:12 <petpipe> or is there one?
02-04-98 20:28:30 <os2hq> GREAT fodder for a column....
02-04-98 20:28:39 <mTnBkR> brb.. Time for me to contact BMT about my OpenChat/2 registration. :(
02-04-98 20:28:46 <petpipe> heheh...
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02-04-98 20:28:50 * petpipe ignores that one
02-04-98 20:28:50 <mandie> os2hq: send it to madodel when you've completed the column :)
02-04-98 20:28:56 <Projects> Abraxas: I eat and irc at the same time... OS/2 lets you do things like that :)
02-04-98 20:28:57 <petpipe> <..using openchat
02-04-98 20:29:07 <os2hq> heh! gotta read the mail first.
02-04-98 20:29:07 <petpipe> LOL projects..ditto
02-04-98 20:29:09 <mandie> projects: same here :)
02-04-98 20:29:23 -> Projects Multithreaded multi-tasking
02-04-98 20:29:26 *** dirdir has left #voice [20:29:26]
02-04-98 20:29:26 <os2hq> I hobble back & forth to dinner. PC is next to the bed.
02-04-98 20:30:18 *** mTnBkR (mTnBkR@gumby.revpol.com) has joined #VOICE [20:30:18]
02-04-98 20:30:19 <Projects> hehehe
02-04-98 20:30:19 <Projects> digestive multithreaded multitasking too
02-04-98 20:30:19 <petpipe> BTW, I have asked editor of os2 ezine to do an article on pmmail's filtering language..and he agreed for next issue. I was tired of the spam and my filters not working
02-04-98 20:30:20 <mandie> abraxas: soooo....shall we go with 1st and 3rd Monday of the month at 8pm EST
02-04-98 20:30:30 -> mandie YES!
02-04-98 20:30:36 <petpipe> :)
02-04-98 20:30:39 <mandie> abraxas: but if I can get a speaker each week of March..we'll run a wkly series
02-04-98 20:30:44 <petpipe> wb mtnbkr
02-04-98 20:30:48 <os2hq> what hour for Sunday board mtgs.?
02-04-98 20:30:49 <mTnBkR> petpipe: I have a pretty good filter set up for spam.
02-04-98 20:30:55 <mandie> os2hq: 8p
02-04-98 20:31:02 -> os2hq 8:00PM (EST)??
02-04-98 20:31:06 <os2hq> same. good.
02-04-98 20:31:31 <petpipe> i c mtnbkr..how did u get that msg..u or i lagging?
02-04-98 20:31:34 <mandie> mtnbkr: with pmmail?
02-04-98 20:31:47 <os2hq> brb... next serving....
02-04-98 20:32:31 <mTnBkR> mandie: pmail yes. It is pretty basic actually, after all other filters execute, this one is last. Puts suspected spam in my "SPAM" folder for me to judge at a later time.
02-04-98 20:32:55 <mandie> mtnbkr: good idea! process of elimination
02-04-98 20:33:07 <petpipe> i put my stuff in trash
02-04-98 20:33:08 <Projects> anyone get that 'mass email marketing works' spam?
02-04-98 20:33:15 <petpipe> not yet
02-04-98 20:33:25 <petpipe> i got one for term papers online
02-04-98 20:33:32 <petpipe> <..college student
02-04-98 20:33:47 <Projects> warez papers.... cool!
02-04-98 20:33:53 <petpipe> hehehe
02-04-98 20:34:06 <mandie> I even get spam mail to the Warpstock Volunteer mailing list..and that was a private mailing list :)
02-04-98 20:34:08 <mTnBkR> mandie: well sort of, but it actually only puts suspected spam in spam folder, not "any messages that don't go in other folders". :) It does some final checking.
02-04-98 20:34:24 <mandie> mtnbkr: kewl
02-04-98 20:35:54 *** CTCP PING (mandie) (#voice)
02-04-98 20:35:55 <petpipe> what is else is on the agenda?
02-04-98 20:36:31 * Abraxas has nothing else
02-04-98 20:36:35 <mandie> everyone using the latest NS/2 and java 1.1.4?
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02-04-98 20:36:50 <petpipe> i think so...how do u check.. creation date?
02-04-98 20:36:51 <Projects> no
02-04-98 20:36:57 <mandie> and do you all know that there is a update for TCPIP stack
02-04-98 20:37:03 <mandie> projects: why?
02-04-98 20:37:09 <mandie> it's very stable
02-04-98 20:37:19 <petpipe> yeah.. but i do have a question about that tcpip stack, is the 4.1v free now?
02-04-98 20:37:25 <mandie> I've been using since last Thurs and haven't had one crash
02-04-98 20:37:33 <Projects> mandie: haven't had the time to download the latest ns/2 yet... the day I did have time, it wasn't available through the ibm links :p
02-04-98 20:37:39 <mandie> ah
02-04-98 20:37:51 <mandie> petpipe: are you using warp 3 or 4?
02-04-98 20:37:54 * petpipe too after he reinstalled java, feature install, n/s
02-04-98 20:37:56 <petpipe> warp4
02-04-98 20:38:43 <petpipe> brb...
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02-04-98 20:41:26 <os2hq> I have the latest NS/2 but too busy to load it.
02-04-98 20:41:34 <os2hq> And scared after the last ones were flaky.
02-04-98 20:41:47 <os2hq> I've got the 128-bit encrypted version & I don't like giving that up.
02-04-98 20:41:59 <os2hq> (As if a person with no credit card needed that!)
02-04-98 20:42:08 * Projects has that too, but hasn't installed it
02-04-98 20:42:29 <os2hq> There's supposed to be a 128-bit patch somewhere, but I don't remember where.
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02-04-98 20:42:40 <os2hq> That would be cool, just get the latest NS/2 and patch it meself.
02-04-98 20:42:47 <mandie> stupid ADVANTIS!
02-04-98 20:42:53 <os2hq> Huh?
02-04-98 20:42:56 <os2hq> The #1 ISP?
02-04-98 20:43:03 <mandie> not for long
02-04-98 20:43:06 <os2hq> right.
02-04-98 20:43:07 <Mjoelner> hmm, are we having a meeting right now?
02-04-98 20:43:09 <os2hq> Shameful.
02-04-98 20:43:15 <mandie> my ISDN will be installed 2/20
02-04-98 20:43:25 -> 6 days ahead of mine
02-04-98 20:43:25 <mandie> Mjoelner: yes, and welcome :)
02-04-98 20:43:26 <os2hq> I guess. No word from the stickers people. One said he'd call.... whenever.
02-04-98 20:43:32 <mandie> abraxas :)
02-04-98 20:43:35 <Mjoelner> =)
02-04-98 20:43:46 <os2hq> They don't have ISDN here... can't even get a second phone line this far out.
02-04-98 20:43:49 <petpipe> back
02-04-98 20:43:50 <Mjoelner> so would I interrupt the order if I asked a question ?
02-04-98 20:43:57 <petpipe> <..on ibm
02-04-98 20:44:00 <os2hq> Unless we stay here all day and accept their stupid net access.
02-04-98 20:44:06 <mandie> Mjoelner: go ahead..this is open forum :)
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02-04-98 20:44:13 * Projects has lots of phone lines, but that's as fast as it'll ever get up here
02-04-98 20:44:14 <petpipe> problem with ibm mandie?
02-04-98 20:44:36 <mandie> petpipe: they are now limiting time to 100hrs/mo
02-04-98 20:44:42 <mandie> no more unlimited access
02-04-98 20:44:43 <Mjoelner> ok, anyone got multiple sound cards in their computer?
02-04-98 20:44:43 <petpipe> i know i hate it :(
02-04-98 20:44:52 <petpipe> with os/2 ?
02-04-98 20:44:55 <os2hq> For mandie, that's like taking away the keys.
02-04-98 20:44:56 <Mjoelner> ...and want to try something out ?
02-04-98 20:45:00 <mandie> os2hq :)
02-04-98 20:45:08 <os2hq> MJ: nope, but I could. I understand IRQs.
02-04-98 20:45:22 * Projects couldn't... no IRQ's left
02-04-98 20:45:27 <mandie> os2hq: if you have PnP bios..you shouldn't have to worry about it
02-04-98 20:45:37 <os2hq> You can assign one S/C to WinOS2 and one to OS/2.
02-04-98 20:45:39 <petpipe> assuming u have two pnp sound cards
02-04-98 20:45:40 <mandie> projects: wow..they're all used!
02-04-98 20:46:00 <petpipe> mandie: 100/hr going into effect april 1
02-04-98 20:46:04 <Projects> mandie: pretty much... had a helluva time getting my nic in
02-04-98 20:46:07 <os2hq> mandie: yeah, but you still should be careful.... like with some DOS games, and make sure you got /IRQ on the PRINT01.SYS line *before* loading apps.
02-04-98 20:46:08 <mandie> petpipe: correct
02-04-98 20:46:11 <Mjoelner> os2hq, so do I, I just want someone to test the multi sound card code in warpamp
02-04-98 20:46:22 <os2hq> ah.
02-04-98 20:46:25 * mandie doesn't do dos games
02-04-98 20:46:28 <os2hq> Sorry, only one card here.
02-04-98 20:46:41 <os2hq> only does Links Golf and Omar Sharif Bridge for DOS.
02-04-98 20:46:42 <petpipe> warpamp?
02-04-98 20:46:54 <os2hq> Links for DOS, because the OS/2 version crashed mercilessly.
02-04-98 20:46:56 <mandie> os2hq: why not Links/2 ?
02-04-98 20:46:57 <Mjoelner> but it seems we'll have to drop the ability to choose which sound card to play on, since it seems no one has more than one sound card...
02-04-98 20:47:00 <mandie> ah
02-04-98 20:47:09 <mandie> os2hq: did you contact Stardock?
02-04-98 20:47:17 <os2hq> Numerous times.
02-04-98 20:47:23 <os2hq> Tried 3 or 4 fixes.
02-04-98 20:47:26 <os2hq> On 3 or 4 PCs.
02-04-98 20:47:30 <os2hq> No go.
02-04-98 20:47:31 <petpipe> can't u do multi-voices with os/2 native games?
02-04-98 20:47:34 <mandie> mjoelner: have you tried the #os/2 on efnet or undernet?
02-04-98 20:47:48 <Mjoelner> mandie: I think smaze tried there
02-04-98 20:47:48 <os2hq> Sad, it was a cool game.
02-04-98 20:48:05 * petpipe hasn't heard of it
02-04-98 20:48:07 <mandie> os2hq: anything that's cpu related?
02-04-98 20:48:36 <mandie> mjoelner: do a newsgroup posting maybe
02-04-98 20:48:37 <os2hq> Intel P, Ppro, and Cyrix.
02-04-98 20:48:43 <os2hq> So that was not it.
02-04-98 20:48:47 <mandie> nope
02-04-98 20:48:58 <mandie> os2hq: video?
02-04-98 20:49:09 <os2hq> Cirrus, S3, Trident.
02-04-98 20:49:12 <mandie> hmm
02-04-98 20:49:29 <petpipe> what is the problem other than the multi-sound card?
02-04-98 20:49:31 <mandie> all crummy cards
02-04-98 20:49:38 <petpipe> heheh mandie
02-04-98 20:49:40 <os2hq> Working in a PC shop made it easy to test that stuff.
02-04-98 20:49:50 <os2hq> PC shops only use cheap crummy stuff.
02-04-98 20:49:54 <os2hq> Keeps the costs down.
02-04-98 20:50:00 <petpipe> yup os2hq
02-04-98 20:50:17 * petpipe offers mandie a $800 pc
02-04-98 20:50:22 <petpipe>
02-04-98 20:50:29 <os2hq> did have a nice demo running on a Pentium Pro, with Warp 4....
02-04-98 20:50:40 <mandie> petpipe: I won't downgrade :)
02-04-98 20:50:41 <petpipe> cool os2hq
02-04-98 20:50:45 <os2hq> only PPro demo unit she had, a perfect match for OS/2.
02-04-98 20:50:45 <petpipe> hehhe mandie
02-04-98 20:50:50 <MickBrown> hi folks
02-04-98 20:50:54 <petpipe> lo mick
02-04-98 20:50:56 <os2hq> welcom, MB.
02-04-98 20:51:12 <petpipe> so did we answer or didn't answer the quesiton?
02-04-98 20:51:19 <petpipe> question=quesiton
02-04-98 20:51:25 <os2hq> the answer is, we can't answer it.
02-04-98 20:51:29 <petpipe> i see
02-04-98 20:51:45 <petpipe> sorry mjoelner
02-04-98 20:52:16 <os2hq> I graphed that $800 PC from 1980 to 2000.
02-04-98 20:52:23 <os2hq> I also graphed the MS O.S. cost.
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02-04-98 20:52:31 <petpipe> :)
02-04-98 20:52:32 <os2hq> Interesting trend in percentages there.
02-04-98 20:52:33 <petpipe> lo spoc
02-04-98 20:52:38 <mandie> spoc!!! :)
02-04-98 20:52:40 <Spoc> hey ppl
02-04-98 20:52:43 <Spoc> :-)
02-04-98 20:52:59 <Spoc> mandie! Abraxas!
02-04-98 20:53:18 <Spoc> I guess i'm a little late today. :-(
02-04-98 20:53:18 <MickBrown> HQ: I found an interesting article on zdnet about OEM costs for MS stuff
02-04-98 20:53:43 <Projects> Spoc: we're waiting for your excuse...
02-04-98 20:53:43 <Projects> :)
02-04-98 20:53:50 <petpipe> hehehe
02-04-98 20:53:51 * Spoc was taking a nap...
02-04-98 20:53:58 * Spoc has the flu.
02-04-98 20:54:00 <petpipe> what is the overall idea mickbrown
02-04-98 20:54:02 <os2hq> MB: I found an interesting one on failure to test multiple O.S.'s before stand. on MS at Johnson Space Center.
02-04-98 20:54:22 <os2hq> Federal offense, violation of procurement law.
02-04-98 20:54:26 <petpipe> URL ppl :)
02-04-98 20:54:26 * Projects looks at Abraxas... the nap things been used already
02-04-98 20:54:27 <MickBrown> It said that MS was aggressively upping the OEM prices
02-04-98 20:54:34 <os2hq> Dumped 3500 Macs, cost 2.5Million to the taxpayer.
02-04-98 20:54:44 -> Projects nap AND Flu
02-04-98 20:54:58 <os2hq> brb... more food...
02-04-98 20:55:01 <Projects> Abraxas: you feeling better today?
02-04-98 20:55:04 <Spoc> Ouch.
02-04-98 20:55:23 -> Projects Much.....musta been a 24hr thing
02-04-98 20:55:39 <petpipe> brb
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02-04-98 20:55:42 <Spoc> Well, I hope this is a 24 hour thing too.
02-04-98 20:55:45 <Klaus> hi
02-04-98 20:55:45 <Projects> Abraxas: good to hear
02-04-98 20:56:15 <MickBrown> HQ: the ZD article made it sound like MS was flexing monopolistic muscles.. very odd from ZD
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02-04-98 20:56:41 <Spoc> Well, not all ZD employees are under the MS thumb.
02-04-98 20:56:58 * petpipe is glad for that
02-04-98 20:58:07 * petpipe twidles his thumbs
02-04-98 20:58:11 <Spoc> Even ZD addmitted that warp server was a much faster server than NT.
02-04-98 20:58:38 <petpipe> but IBM won't say os2 warp..they focusing on NT
02-04-98 20:58:41 * petpipe is sad
02-04-98 20:58:42 <Projects> without zealot influence? Amazing...
02-04-98 20:58:53 <Spoc> hehehe
02-04-98 20:59:07 <MickBrown> anyone want the URL ?
02-04-98 20:59:19 <petpipe> YES!!!
02-04-98 20:59:29 <MickBrown> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/smro/0202/281220.html
02-04-98 21:00:08 <petpipe> tanks
02-04-98 21:00:11 <petpipe> :)
02-04-98 21:00:57 * petpipe loves hotscroll
02-04-98 21:01:41 <MickBrown> It said that the MS OEM guy was calling all the OEMs to get them to say MS wasn't monopolistic before the DOJ settlement
02-04-98 21:01:46 * TheSeer has WarpEnhancer so he uses the mmb for that stuff without that stupid "wheel"..
02-04-98 21:01:50 * Projects too
02-04-98 21:01:51 <petpipe> i'm reading it
02-04-98 21:03:04 <MickBrown> Does anyone know if JDK 1.14 GA will install and work OK on Warp 3.0 base?
02-04-98 21:03:12 <petpipe> i don't know
02-04-98 21:03:15 <petpipe> never tried
02-04-98 21:03:20 <os2hq> back.
02-04-98 21:03:21 <petpipe> i think u need a fixpak
02-04-98 21:03:27 <mandie> mick: let me take a look at the 1.1.4 docs
02-04-98 21:03:44 <Spoc> dunno.. I have warp 4
02-04-98 21:04:02 <os2hq> WarpEnhancer???
02-04-98 21:04:22 <Spoc> unfortunalty the NS/2 that supposidly supports java 1.1 doesn't work with 1.1.4 here.. :-(
02-04-98 21:04:30 <petpipe> oh, the wierd thing is in Windows magazine, paper copy for subscribers, special article on how to remove ie 100% from windows
02-04-98 21:04:30 <MickBrown> The documents seem to imply that feature-install and JDK don't work on base v3 and someone is telling me it does work
02-04-98 21:04:44 <petpipe> and around the same time DOJ and microsoft cutting deal
02-04-98 21:04:46 <os2hq> pp: URL for that too?
02-04-98 21:04:46 <Spoc> Works great from the desktop though.
02-04-98 21:05:00 <petpipe> i can scan it..it a copy edition
02-04-98 21:05:10 <petpipe> paper copy that is
02-04-98 21:05:17 <petpipe> it like 6 pages long
02-04-98 21:05:27 <Spoc> hmmmmm
02-04-98 21:05:29 <os2hq> BTW, we should have an agreement to use ONE banner on Voice site, for all members who join LinkExchange.
02-04-98 21:05:47 <os2hq> We should have a Voice "press release" type thingie for them to link on their sites.
02-04-98 21:05:48 <mandie> os2hq: we only have 1 banner on the voice page!
02-04-98 21:05:58 <os2hq> Yep, that's the one.
02-04-98 21:06:06 <mandie> os2hq: you are marketing..why don't you do some of these things?
02-04-98 21:06:13 <petpipe> heheheh
02-04-98 21:06:16 <os2hq> I mean we should put all this stuff in a "promo pak" to e-mail out to all members.
02-04-98 21:06:16 <os2hq> okay.
02-04-98 21:06:30 <os2hq> & mandie's "help e-mail list" icon too.
02-04-98 21:06:33 <os2hq> All that stuff.
02-04-98 21:06:33 * petpipe has a 3-d java cube that rotates with voice on one of the panels
02-04-98 21:06:40 <os2hq> cool.
02-04-98 21:06:55 <mandie> that's not *my* icon...I believe vince created that icon
02-04-98 21:07:01 <os2hq> will learn how to actually Program Java instead of just spout terminology... one of these days.
02-04-98 21:07:07 <Projects> no... vince requested it...
02-04-98 21:07:09 <petpipe> it is real cool, unfortunately, VOICE pic got distorted, so if anyone have a copy of the pic about 150x150 pixels, would be great
02-04-98 21:07:23 <mandie> projects: ah,,then it's your icon...should have known!! :)
02-04-98 21:07:29 <Projects> mandie: :)
02-04-98 21:07:31 <os2hq> Maybe a VOICE tagline file... something like that too.
02-04-98 21:07:35 <petpipe> the 3-d cube is at http://www.geocities.com/~pipes_pad if anyone interested
02-04-98 21:07:50 <mandie> projects: I had totally forgotten about the banner because I had the *custom* color VOICE logo :)
02-04-98 21:08:03 <Projects> mandie: :)
02-04-98 21:08:05 <os2hq> thanx pipe.
02-04-98 21:08:09 <petpipe> np
02-04-98 21:08:34 <os2hq> Article in Computerworld I'm about to read "Why Hackers Target NT -- their Personal Playground."
02-04-98 21:08:42 <petpipe> heheh os2hq
02-04-98 21:08:52 <Projects> hehehe
02-04-98 21:08:58 <Spoc> hmmmm
02-04-98 21:09:01 <MickBrown> LOL
02-04-98 21:09:32 <os2hq> found a MONSTER backdoor on an NT / 95 network 2 months ago.... but isn't telling anyone about it.... yet.
02-04-98 21:09:47 * petpipe hopes it not his work site
02-04-98 21:09:52 * petpipe hasn't put up that firewall yet
02-04-98 21:09:52 <os2hq> Heh...
02-04-98 21:09:53 <petpipe> heheh
02-04-98 21:10:00 <Spoc> oh? this one that lets you share there HD?
02-04-98 21:10:03 <os2hq> Less than 1 minute to break in the *front* door.
02-04-98 21:10:05 <Spoc> :-)
02-04-98 21:10:12 <os2hq> Share the whole network.
02-04-98 21:10:16 <os2hq> Printers, files, etc.
02-04-98 21:10:28 * petpipe still can't dial into the server but probably hackers can get in when it goes ont the net
02-04-98 21:10:30 * mandie thinks os2hq should report this !
02-04-98 21:10:35 <petpipe> nah
02-04-98 21:10:38 <petpipe> let the server crash
02-04-98 21:10:39 <petpipe> :)
02-04-98 21:10:41 <Spoc> nah.
02-04-98 21:10:46 <os2hq> Nah, it's so obvious that *nobody* would believe it anyway.
02-04-98 21:11:02 <MickBrown> I'm aware of DNEWS and MSnews bugs, the Joshua Rodd IP spoofing thingie
02-04-98 21:11:17 <os2hq> It's not a bug... it's a security design flaw.
02-04-98 21:11:28 * petpipe is glad his company's ISP won't let us do MS frontpage so i have IBM's homepage builder beta running the show on NT :>
02-04-98 21:11:29 <TheSeer> os2hq so just explain it ;)
02-04-98 21:11:29 <Projects> now why does that page show nothing but "Peter Piper's Home Page"?
02-04-98 21:11:32 <mandie> that's scarey!
02-04-98 21:11:35 <petpipe> no it is a feature
02-04-98 21:11:45 <Spoc> hehehe
02-04-98 21:11:49 <petpipe> heheh projects
02-04-98 21:11:55 <os2hq> Maybe it's the Josh Rodd thingie... somebody's bound to have figured it out before.
02-04-98 21:12:04 <petpipe> it my homepage..ppl at geocities have access to that javascript
02-04-98 21:12:12 <os2hq> hmmm....
02-04-98 21:12:15 <mandie> petpipe: Homepage Builder..is that the japanese wysiwyg html editor?
02-04-98 21:12:19 <Projects> petpipe: not funny actually... the source is all there, but the page displays only the title :(
02-04-98 21:12:21 <petpipe> i know ppl on warp ring are on geocities
02-04-98 21:12:24 <os2hq> mandie: yep.
02-04-98 21:12:30 <petpipe> yup mandie
02-04-98 21:12:45 <mandie> I hate geocities...can't stand their java advertising!
02-04-98 21:12:47 <petpipe> projects: no..it takes a while to load...i got to java scripts on one page
02-04-98 21:12:51 <petpipe> me too mandie
02-04-98 21:12:59 <os2hq> is taking requests for a Premium Content corner on his Website.
02-04-98 21:13:03 <petpipe> but IBM doesn't host pages for free
02-04-98 21:13:22 <Projects> petpipe: said 'document done' at the bottom...
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02-04-98 21:13:34 <petpipe> really..u using netscape/2?
02-04-98 21:13:41 <petpipe> let me check it out
02-04-98 21:13:42 * mandie has her entire homepage content flagged Premium :)
02-04-98 21:13:47 <os2hq> hey mims.
02-04-98 21:13:55 <MickBrown> Most of the problems with NT server software I'm aware of are deliberate braindead design decisions
02-04-98 21:13:55 <chmims> hi all
02-04-98 21:13:56 <mandie> chmims!! hi :)
02-04-98 21:14:05 <Projects> petpipe: yup... and just tried HotJava (but it crashed... )
02-04-98 21:14:06 <os2hq> mandie: heh. I mean a special gate with a toll.
02-04-98 21:14:10 -> mandie That's another change I'm going to make....Ameritech.net offers a 2meg web space....I can lose the commercialized Geocities page
02-04-98 21:14:19 <petpipe> lo chmims
02-04-98 21:14:29 <petpipe> hmmm
02-04-98 21:14:38 <mandie> I have no intentions of charging os2 users for *any* information
02-04-98 21:14:39 <petpipe> it loading on my page and on communicator
02-04-98 21:14:47 <os2hq> Hmmmm....
02-04-98 21:14:52 <Spoc> Abraxas: run your own web server. ;-)
02-04-98 21:14:58 <os2hq> Depends on what info. Not links, commentary, or downloads....
02-04-98 21:15:08 -> Spoc hmmmm....now why didn't I think of that :-)
02-04-98 21:15:08 <os2hq> I'm thinking just an "Enterprise" area.
02-04-98 21:15:11 <os2hq> Not Star Trek, either.
02-04-98 21:15:14 <petpipe> it working fine over here project...do u have -3 for your options line?
02-04-98 21:15:25 <mandie> abraxas: ah, I'll have to check them out..I was going to use my server..but I'm a bit concerned about the reliability of dyndns.com and ml.org :(
02-04-98 21:15:33 <Projects> petpipe: yup... and it's not loading at all here :(
02-04-98 21:15:46 * mandie will continue to just provide info for the end users
02-04-98 21:15:53 <petpipe> all it displays is the title project?
02-04-98 21:16:05 <petpipe> hmmm
02-04-98 21:16:10 <Projects> petpipe: that's it
02-04-98 21:16:17 <MickBrown> PP: I think you get a small 5 page use with special software website on ibm.net if you live in USA
02-04-98 21:16:21 <mandie> spoc: it helps if you have a static ip :(
02-04-98 21:16:31 <os2hq> Okay, I'll put together a Promo Pak from what we've got, and then we'll approve it, and find the best arrangement to distribute.
02-04-98 21:16:32 <petpipe> try bringing down netscape and bring it back up
02-04-98 21:16:40 <Spoc> true: but dyndns.com works pretty good.
02-04-98 21:16:43 <petpipe> i worried about space mickbrown
02-04-98 21:16:52 <Projects> petpipe: anyway, the voice thing you wanted at 150x150, is that the voice logo?
02-04-98 21:16:53 <mandie> spoc: I have my server running on it
02-04-98 21:17:00 <mandie> http://warpedworld.dyndns.com
02-04-98 21:17:14 * Spoc usualy has his ftp server running on it.
02-04-98 21:17:16 <petpipe> yes projects
02-04-98 21:17:26 * Abraxas has an FTP server at abraxas.dyndns.com
02-04-98 21:17:29 <SunnyBear> I got the page fine, but the 3d cube is throwing a java.langArrayIndexOfBoundException
02-04-98 21:17:31 <Projects> petpipe: lemme see what I can do...
02-04-98 21:17:31 <mandie> and the format that I'm considering at http://warpedworld.dyndns.com/test
02-04-98 21:17:35 <petpipe> or bigger it won't distort coming down in size but will distort if it goes the other way around
02-04-98 21:17:37 <Spoc> Works for those who cannot dcc to me.
02-04-98 21:17:37 <petpipe> thanks projects
02-04-98 21:17:40 <MickBrown> I think fortunecity.com lets you have 4 megs
02-04-98 21:18:02 <petpipe> <..has 15 mb with free cgi and java
02-04-98 21:18:10 <petpipe> $4.95 month though
02-04-98 21:18:15 <mandie> petpipe: cgi access?
02-04-98 21:18:17 <petpipe> yes
02-04-98 21:18:31 <mandie> they must have individual cgi-bin's setup
02-04-98 21:18:34 * petpipe wished he knew pearl a bit better
02-04-98 21:18:39 <petpipe> it called geoplus
02-04-98 21:18:48 <Projects> petpipe: er... it doesn't really lend itself to being square... 150x95 ok?
02-04-98 21:18:51 <mandie> perl :)
02-04-98 21:19:08 * Spoc doesn't know perl at all, but with appache I can do cgi in rexx. :-)
02-04-98 21:19:35 <os2hq> Hmmmm....
02-04-98 21:20:02 <os2hq> pays $27 a month for 10 MB and unlimited... but at least they don't freak when I say "OS/2"
02-04-98 21:20:07 <petpipe> i know projects...it has to be a square, otherwise it looks aweful..i have it up but it not soo pretty
02-04-98 21:20:08 <mandie> spoc: I have apache on my linux box
02-04-98 21:20:08 <petpipe> really spoc?
02-04-98 21:20:08 <petpipe> let me see the size i have it projects
02-04-98 21:20:18 <petpipe> neither do geocities
02-04-98 21:20:24 <petpipe> but they not really officially helping me out
02-04-98 21:20:35 <SunnyBear>
02-04-98 21:20:38 <Projects> petpipe: well, I can make it square, but there'll be lots of background top and bottom...
02-04-98 21:20:49 <Spoc> What's up SunnyBear?
02-04-98 21:21:01 <petpipe> that is fine projects
02-04-98 21:21:02 <petpipe> :)
02-04-98 21:21:06 <os2hq> I hope you all take a peek at "Radio Free Redmond" one of these days.
02-04-98 21:21:08 <SunnyBear> ya'll are forgettin that SunTrix wants to grow..
02-04-98 21:21:21 <os2hq> Sunny: what's the offer?"
02-04-98 21:21:24 <Projects> petpipe: okee... gimme a sec
02-04-98 21:21:29 <SunnyBear> whatcha need..
02-04-98 21:21:30 <petpipe> k thanks projects
02-04-98 21:21:30 <mandie> Sunny: and that's why I keep my irc server here :)
02-04-98 21:21:39 <petpipe> heheh os2hq
02-04-98 21:21:52 <os2hq> Sunny: umlimited, min. 10 MB, ramping upwards gradually....
02-04-98 21:21:56 <SunnyBear> we've always done our best for our OS/2 friends..
02-04-98 21:22:03 <os2hq> as I add more goodies & downloads.
02-04-98 21:22:06 <Spoc> :-)
02-04-98 21:22:15 <os2hq> pet: it's way cool. On the Funnies Page.
02-04-98 21:22:17 <mandie> sunny: you and trixer are great sysadmins! :)
02-04-98 21:22:26 <petpipe> URL?
02-04-98 21:22:26 <petpipe> :>
02-04-98 21:22:28 <mandie> anyone using ISDN with linux?
02-04-98 21:22:30 <os2hq> Mom said today "you should make a living as a cartoonist"
02-04-98 21:22:32 <mandie> besides sunny :)
02-04-98 21:22:33 * petpipe avoiding his school homework
02-04-98 21:22:43 <os2hq> She's got a better sense of humor than I!!
02-04-98 21:22:47 <petpipe> lol
02-04-98 21:22:52 <os2hq> www.mindspring.com/~os2headquarters/
02-04-98 21:23:08 -> mandie no Linux, yet....but I'd guess that you'll be one of the first, here, to try it!
02-04-98 21:23:10 *** Signoff: Zadig (no windows left) [21:23:10]
02-04-98 21:23:13 <petpipe> htanks
02-04-98 21:23:30 * petpipe still waiting for new drive for linux 5.0 in box
02-04-98 21:23:34 <petpipe> :((((
02-04-98 21:23:35 <os2hq> Linux.... Might as well use that IBM PCDOS7 partition for *something* useful.
02-04-98 21:23:39 <TheSeer> wanna see the newest NS/2 crash with java 1.1.4 ? Try www.suntrix.com and click some links... killed NS/2 here :-((
02-04-98 21:23:46 <os2hq> Ugh.
02-04-98 21:23:50 <petpipe> lol
02-04-98 21:24:01 <petpipe> what os2hq?
02-04-98 21:24:01 <os2hq> That's why I'm waiting... sitting on my 128bit NS/2.
02-04-98 21:24:10 <os2hq> huh?
02-04-98 21:24:12 <petpipe> hehehe
02-04-98 21:24:34 * Abraxas likes being on the "Cutting Edge"....but not the "Bleeding Edge"
02-04-98 21:24:35 <mandie> abraxas: hehe
02-04-98 21:24:45 <os2hq> Abraxas: right!
02-04-98 21:24:51 <mandie> os2hq: linux is very stable
02-04-98 21:24:59 <SunnyBear> ours is...
02-04-98 21:25:08 <mandie> my linux box has been up 29days
02-04-98 21:25:11 <os2hq> mandie: I know, I just need the learning curve time for Java or REXX right now.
02-04-98 21:25:14 * petpipe can't dial his isp with linux :(
02-04-98 21:25:17 <mandie> and I don't see it going down anytime soon
02-04-98 21:25:18 * petpipe hasn't learned that
02-04-98 21:25:20 * Abraxas is contemplating installing Linux on his second Warp box.....just because I can :-)
02-04-98 21:25:30 <mandie> abraxas: hehehe
02-04-98 21:25:31 <petpipe> heheh abraxas
02-04-98 21:25:33 <os2hq> likes the status note on WarpGuru's page.
02-04-98 21:25:38 <mandie> linux is a real challenge...for me atleast!
02-04-98 21:25:39 <petpipe> LOL
02-04-98 21:25:43 <os2hq> "Last time this WarpServer has crashed... Never"
02-04-98 21:25:43 * petpipe too
02-04-98 21:25:54 * petpipe high 5's os2hq
02-04-98 21:26:00 <os2hq> h5's
02-04-98 21:26:07 <Spoc> :-)
02-04-98 21:26:39 * Abraxas starts his C++ class next monday....don't know If he can handle "2" challenges at the same time
02-04-98 21:26:45 <os2hq> Well, folks, good news, I've actually got *job interview* tomorrow.
02-04-98 21:26:59 <os2hq> Abraxas: of course, you multitask, right?
02-04-98 21:27:01 <mandie> os2hq: the good news will be if you GET the job!
02-04-98 21:27:01 <petpipe> where at?
02-04-98 21:27:04 <petpipe> LOL
02-04-98 21:27:10 <Spoc> os2hq: Good... you're doing better than I am right now then.
02-04-98 21:27:10 <os2hq> mandie: baby steps first!!!
02-04-98 21:27:11 <petpipe> don't get discourage os2
02-04-98 21:27:13 -> os2hq great!!!! (next he'll tell us that he can't do Monday meetings) :-)
02-04-98 21:27:15 <petpipe> <..looking for job
02-04-98 21:27:19 <petpipe> lol
02-04-98 21:27:20 <os2hq> Heh!
02-04-98 21:27:22 <mandie> abraxas: hehe
02-04-98 21:27:36 <os2hq> It's a phone interview with an OS/2 consultancy in Atlanta.
02-04-98 21:27:47 <os2hq> Imagine that.... a company that actually *recommends* OS/2.
02-04-98 21:27:51 <Spoc> hey... an os/2 job.. cool
02-04-98 21:27:55 * petpipe thinking about some os/2 locations in chicago
02-04-98 21:28:05 * petpipe looking for those too
02-04-98 21:28:09 <os2hq> found 500 OS/2 jobs on one Jobsearch site!!!
02-04-98 21:28:15 <os2hq> TIP TIP TIP
02-04-98 21:28:15 <mandie> os2hq: wow
02-04-98 21:28:26 * mandie would love to do OS/2 tech support!
02-04-98 21:28:34 <os2hq> It's on my website... HeadHunter.NET.
02-04-98 21:28:38 <os2hq> TIP TIP TIP
02-04-98 21:28:41 -> os2hq My computer multi-tasks just fine....it's my brain that I'm worried about :-)
02-04-98 21:28:47 <Spoc> which site os2hq?
02-04-98 21:28:48 <petpipe> really?
02-04-98 21:28:48 <petpipe> URL os2hq?
02-04-98 21:28:53 <petpipe> heheh abraxas
02-04-98 21:28:53 <os2hq> www.HeadHunter.NET
02-04-98 21:28:58 <mandie> abraxas: maybe you need more memory :)
02-04-98 21:28:59 <petpipe> cool :)..thanks
02-04-98 21:29:02 <os2hq> Here's the Mondo tip.
02-04-98 21:29:11 <os2hq> Search but DON'T pick a salary range.
02-04-98 21:29:18 <petpipe> cool
02-04-98 21:29:21 <os2hq> Most OS/2 jobs are "N/A" or "negotiable"
02-04-98 21:29:21 -> mandie maybe I shouldn't "pickle" the memory I've got (left) :-)
02-04-98 21:29:30 <mandie> abraxas: hehe
02-04-98 21:29:32 <os2hq> So you'll miss them if you pick a salary range.
02-04-98 21:29:50 <Spoc> ok, i'll keep that in mind
02-04-98 21:29:51 <os2hq> will have to add that tip to his Website... *AFTER* he's cherry-picked the best job.
02-04-98 21:30:01 *** Zadig (Lune@47-202.dr.cgocable.ca) has joined #VOICE [21:30:01]
02-04-98 21:30:02 <os2hq> ;)
02-04-98 21:30:07 * petpipe hopes that they will be nice enough to receive a resume in HTML
02-04-98 21:30:07 <petpipe> hehehhe
02-04-98 21:30:16 <petpipe> miss them?
02-04-98 21:30:18 <os2hq> hey Zad
02-04-98 21:30:52 <os2hq> pp: yep. The categories are by salary numbers. But N/A and negotiable aren't numbers.
02-04-98 21:30:53 <petpipe> hmmm
02-04-98 21:30:55 *** Mjoelner has left #voice [21:30:55]
02-04-98 21:31:05 * petpipe just wants to relocate in austin
02-04-98 21:31:09 *** Signoff: Zadig (no windows left) [21:31:09]
02-04-98 21:31:10 * petpipe high 5's projects
02-04-98 21:31:12 <os2hq> yeah, Austin.
02-04-98 21:31:19 <os2hq> Got last Sunday's Austin paper here.
02-04-98 21:31:21 <Projects> :)
02-04-98 21:31:22 * petpipe from san antonio
02-04-98 21:31:27 <os2hq> Here's the HOT TIP from Austin:
02-04-98 21:31:32 <petpipe> ?
02-04-98 21:31:38 <os2hq> You can get a PC tech job if you know networks, $10.49 an hour.
02-04-98 21:31:48 * petpipe looking for salary
02-04-98 21:31:50 <os2hq> OR, you can teach paroled convicts to read, $16 an hour.
02-04-98 21:31:55 <petpipe> but i am flexible
02-04-98 21:31:55 -> os2hq What....tell them you are fluent in NT???
02-04-98 21:31:57 <mandie> Zadig: hello
02-04-98 21:31:58 <MickBrown> I made more than that in 78
02-04-98 21:32:08 <os2hq> Ab: Novell too.
02-04-98 21:32:11 * petpipe is fluent in NT...>
02-04-98 21:32:18 <os2hq> Nerd Toys that is.
02-04-98 21:32:26 * Abraxas swings (and misses) :-)
02-04-98 21:32:38 * petpipe doesn't like to say that..but if it pays
02-04-98 21:32:41 <petpipe> it pays
02-04-98 21:32:45 <os2hq> You folks ever hear of "cryptoquote?"
02-04-98 21:32:52 <petpipe> nope os2
02-04-98 21:33:02 <Spoc> nope
02-04-98 21:33:05 <os2hq> It's a puzzle in many newspaper fun sections.
02-04-98 21:33:13 <petpipe> i see
02-04-98 21:33:16 * Abraxas has seen it
02-04-98 21:33:17 <mandie> funny no queries matched OS/2
02-04-98 21:33:24 <os2hq> Swaps one letter for another. LONGFELLOW = ABCDEFGGBH
02-04-98 21:33:27 <os2hq> that sort of thing.
02-04-98 21:33:37 <os2hq> Wanna guess what the Cryptoquote for NT is?
02-04-98 21:33:58 -> sx?
02-04-98 21:34:03 <os2hq> nope.
02-04-98 21:34:27 <os2hq> no more takers?
02-04-98 21:34:42 <petpipe> LOL
02-04-98 21:34:44 <os2hq> BS, of course.
02-04-98 21:34:50 -> hehehe
02-04-98 21:34:53 -> lol
02-04-98 21:34:54 <Spoc> hehehe
02-04-98 21:34:56 <mandie> oh yeah...that was real obvious
02-04-98 21:35:02 <petpipe> ok ..i should start to read my chaucer soon...hehehehe
02-04-98 21:35:07 * petpipe closes his clock
02-04-98 21:35:10 <os2hq> fluent in BS, eh? ;)
02-04-98 21:35:10 <mandie> petpipe: thx for coming :)
02-04-98 21:35:20 <petpipe> thanks for having me
02-04-98 21:35:21 <petpipe> :)
02-04-98 21:35:27 <os2hq> Come back every time!
02-04-98 21:35:30 <MickBrown> night petpipe :)
02-04-98 21:35:32 <os2hq> Thanks everyone who came!
02-04-98 21:35:40 <os2hq> Time for me to skedaddle.
02-04-98 21:35:41 <petpipe> if it posted..i will be here..or try to be
02-04-98 21:35:50 * mandie notes that os2hq uses the front door to BS :)
02-04-98 21:35:57 <os2hq> Heh.
02-04-98 21:36:01 -> petpipe Make sure you remember Feb 18th
02-04-98 21:36:04 * petpipe gonna be busy writing his senior thesis on technology and educational systems/human behaviors
02-04-98 21:36:05 <os2hq> Better than relying on NT....
02-04-98 21:36:09 <mandie> petpipe: 2/18 is the next meeting..with Tim Sipples
02-04-98 21:36:11 <petpipe> is that a speaker
02-04-98 21:36:20 <os2hq> petpipe: check my Website for fodder for that!
02-04-98 21:36:25 -> mandie: your turn
02-04-98 21:36:32 -> hehe
02-04-98 21:36:38 <mandie> hehe
02-04-98 21:36:44 <os2hq> Sipples... cool.
02-04-98 21:36:44 <Projects> petpipe: there's a rumor about some warez term papers going around... :))
02-04-98 21:36:45 <mandie> those damn echos!
02-04-98 21:36:51 <os2hq> Bye all!
02-04-98 21:36:53 <petpipe> LOL
02-04-98 21:36:55 <petpipe> bye
02-04-98 21:37:00 *** os2hq has left #voice [21:37:00]
02-04-98 21:37:02 -> Feb 18th....8:00PM....Timothy Sipples.....Right Here.......
02-04-98 21:37:03 * petpipe don't do term papers
02-04-98 21:37:04 <Projects> cya
02-04-98 21:37:15 <petpipe> thanks again projects..check out that url again if you can
02-04-98 21:37:22 <petpipe> http://www.geocities.com/~pipes_pad
02-04-98 21:37:26 <petpipe> bye all
02-04-98 21:37:32 *** Signoff: petpipe (Leaving) [21:37:32]
02-04-98 21:38:01 -> ANyone (besides Spoc and TheSeer) heard the Win95sux.mp3?
02-04-98 21:38:13 <Spoc> hehehe
02-04-98 21:38:28 * Spoc lost that mp3. :-(
02-04-98 21:38:40 * Abraxas has it on his FTP server
02-04-98 21:38:48 -> I think
02-04-98 21:39:01 <Spoc> i'll check for it later..
02-04-98 21:39:11 * Spoc needs to go back to bed for now.
02-04-98 21:39:14 -> yup....it's there.....HIGHLY recommended
02-04-98 21:39:28 -> BED?????
02-04-98 21:39:30 <Spoc> Damn flu bug realy nocked me out this time.
02-04-98 21:39:44 -> Oh...OK....That was me on Monday
02-04-98 21:39:58 * Spoc can only sleep in snaches.
02-04-98 21:40:29 <Spoc> Besides, I cannot feel my headache when i'm sleeping. :-)
02-04-98 21:40:30 -> *Spoc* Me too....but she's 1500 miles away :-)
02-04-98 21:40:32 <mandie> hmm
02-04-98 21:40:57 *** Signoff: chmims (g'night all) [21:40:57]
02-04-98 21:42:02 * Abraxas hopes "real" viruses can't be transmitted over the internet
02-04-98 21:42:17 <Spoc> I just wish I have someone to baby me wile I feel this way.
02-04-98 21:42:22 -> If they can, Spoc's in *BIG* trouble for spreading that one
02-04-98 21:42:32 <Spoc> I guess I'd better get married then. :-)
02-04-98 21:42:58 <Spoc> Well, since you had if first, you must be the one spreading it.
02-04-98 21:43:16 -> Spoc nope...only got me down for 1 night
02-04-98 21:43:23 <Spoc> fortunatly, I think i'm on the mend.
02-04-98 21:43:36 * Abraxas has a superior immune system.....
02-04-98 21:43:38 <Projects> damn! I've got three 'set classpath=' statements in config.sys... can someone who's running java 1.1.4 post the correct one?
02-04-98 21:43:40 <Spoc> started last night, and i'm only half as bat tonight.
02-04-98 21:43:46 <Spoc> bat=bad
02-04-98 21:44:06 <Spoc> Accualy, I think I got if from my cat.
02-04-98 21:44:17 <TheSeer> sorry. it's too late.. got to get some sleep too.. cya!
02-04-98 21:44:24 <mandie> SET CLASSPATH=l:\NETSCAPE\JAVA11\JEMPCL10.ZIP;l:\NETSCAPE\njclass.zip;L:\javaos2\lib\jempcl10.zip;.\.;N:\JAVA11\ICATJAVA\DAEMON\JAVAPROB.ZIP;
02-04-98 21:44:30 <Spoc> ttyl theseer.
02-04-98 21:44:41 <mandie> SET INCLUDE=N:\JAVA11\INCLUDE;D:\javaos2\include;N:\JAVA11\INCLUDE\OS2;D:\javaos2\include\os2;
02-04-98 21:44:56 *** TheSeer has left #voice [21:44:55]
02-04-98 21:45:39 <Projects> hmm... this bears further investigation... all three lines appear to be the same...
02-04-98 21:45:40 <mandie> SET LIB=N:\JAVA11\LIB;D:\javaos2\lib;
02-04-98 21:45:41 <mandie> that's all
02-04-98 21:45:45 <Projects> on mine I mean
02-04-98 21:45:59 <mandie> projects: that accounts for the 3 times that the install failed :)
02-04-98 21:46:03 <mandie> j/k :)
02-04-98 21:46:22 -> *mandie* I'll send ptackbar the logfile to post, as well as the new meeting dates....should I tell him weekly meetings in March?
02-04-98 21:46:31 <Spoc> hmmmm
02-04-98 21:46:45 <Projects> mandie: but the other java stuff (mbase etc) is also triplicated. Gonna have to print this thing out I suppose
02-04-98 21:46:48 <Spoc> installed fine here, run fine off the desktop, just not with ns/2
02-04-98 21:47:00 * MickBrown hates mucking around in config files
02-04-98 21:47:12 <Projects> would have been fine here, if the archive had been complete :p
02-04-98 21:47:22 <mandie> projects :)
02-04-98 21:47:34 <SunnyBear> MickBrown: config file mucking should be left up to the experts..
02-04-98 21:48:18 * mandie is a lil mucker!
02-04-98 21:48:30 <Projects> hehehe
02-04-98 21:48:32 <SunnyBear> mandie is a mucker guru
02-04-98 21:48:40 <mandie> hehe...I wish :)
02-04-98 21:48:44 <SunnyBear> aka muckuru
02-04-98 21:48:51 <mandie> muckaroo :)
02-04-98 21:49:03 <MickBrown> SunnyBear: I know enough to do some mucking... but it is so easy to mistype something ... especially those 500 char path lines
02-04-98 21:49:10 *** me :Unknown command
02-04-98 21:49:23 * Abraxas is a ......ahhhh....never mind :-)
02-04-98 21:49:38 <Spoc> hehehe
02-04-98 21:49:46 <mandie> hehe
02-04-98 21:49:51 <SunnyBear> MickBrown: we'll be holding remedial muck training in #fatfingers
02-04-98 21:50:09 <Projects> hehehehe
02-04-98 21:50:28 * Abraxas thinks that'd probably get him /kicked from Undernet #os/2
02-04-98 21:50:40 <mandie> abraxas: LOL
02-04-98 21:51:18 <mandie> ok, I need opinions on my projected new homepage format
02-04-98 21:51:48 -> mandie ok....
02-04-98 21:52:08 <mandie> http://129.37.44.15/test
02-04-98 21:52:19 <mandie> remove /test for the original
02-04-98 21:52:22 *** SunnyBear is now known as Opinions
02-04-98 21:52:25 <mandie> lol
02-04-98 21:52:50 -> mandie unable to connect to server......
02-04-98 21:53:04 <Projects> damn... my ns is really busted after peter piper's page :(
02-04-98 21:53:05 <mandie> I can't either!
02-04-98 21:53:10 <mandie> stupid advantis
02-04-98 21:53:19 <MickBrown> say's socket is not connected
02-04-98 21:53:22 -> mandie only 2 more weeks.......
02-04-98 21:53:54 <mandie> hmm..what's the deal :(
02-04-98 21:54:00 <Opinions> no response
02-04-98 21:54:10 -> mandie leaving Advantis is looking better all the time, huh?
02-04-98 21:54:24 <Opinions> suntrix... suntrix... suntrix
02-04-98 21:54:32 <mandie> abraxas:; you got that right...I lost carrier yesterday 5 times within 2 hrs!
02-04-98 21:54:40 -> Opinions got a local access number in Indy??????
02-04-98 21:55:08 <Opinions> not yet..
02-04-98 21:55:12 <Projects> well, I gotta reboot :( Guess I'm outta here then
02-04-98 21:55:19 *** Opinions is now known as SunnyBear
02-04-98 21:55:20 *** Signoff: Projects (reboot :() [21:55:20]
02-04-98 21:55:22 -> Projects bummer......
02-04-98 21:55:49 -> SunnyBear let me know when you do......I'll be there!
02-04-98 21:56:30 <SunnyBear> hey.. anything's possible.. :)
02-04-98 21:56:53 -> SunnyBear That's the kind of thinking I like to hear :-)
02-04-98 21:57:30 <SunnyBear> wanna hear it again then?
02-04-98 21:57:38 User Information for: mandie
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02-04-98 21:57:38 IRC Name: * Judy *
02-04-98 21:57:38 Address : jmcderm@192.168.1.3
02-04-98 21:57:38 Channels: @#VOICE 
02-04-98 21:57:38 Server : warpedworld.dyndns.com (Judy's Warped World, Garden City, MI)
02-04-98 21:57:38 Info : mandie is an IRCop!
02-04-98 21:57:39 <MickBrown> Some of the advantis tech support are so lame... I sent a set of traces showing a gateway prob (traced to DNS) 50% packetloss
02-04-98 21:57:54 <MickBrown> and they asked me to send traces and pings
02-04-98 21:58:16 <SunnyBear> ya'll need to get local ISP service and put all yer web stuff on suntrix..
02-04-98 21:58:17 <MickBrown> two days later
02-04-98 21:58:44 *** Swordedge (swordedge@ppp46.ntrnet.NET) has joined #VOICE [21:58:44]
02-04-98 21:59:27 * Spoc doesn't plan on making a web page.. unless he ever finishes his bot.
02-04-98 21:59:28 -> SunnyBear sounds good.......I could do that
02-04-98 22:00:05 -> Spoc Finish the BOT?????? That'll be the day :-)))))
02-04-98 22:00:14 <Spoc> hehehe
02-04-98 22:00:24 <Spoc> just when I got close last time, I started over.
02-04-98 22:00:37 <SunnyBear> Abraxas: we have a special "twice as much" rate for all our OS/2 friends..
02-04-98 22:00:39 <Spoc> only way to fix the high cpu usage.
02-04-98 22:00:44 -> Spoc Yeah....I know :-)
02-04-98 22:00:53 <Swordedge> reminds me of the raleigh guy that has a robot lawn mower. It has never cut a blade of grass in ten years
02-04-98 22:01:20 <mandie> they msut have fixed something...can you guys try again..http://warpedworld.dyndns.com/test
02-04-98 22:01:28 -> SunnyBear twice the rate....or twice the space for the same rate :-)
02-04-98 22:01:38 <mandie> btw..I'm removing my pic and the counter from the test page
02-04-98 22:02:03 -> mandie connected now
02-04-98 22:02:16 <mandie> abraxas: they must have had a router down
02-04-98 22:02:33 <SunnyBear> Abraxas you really looking for a new webhome?
02-04-98 22:03:06 <mandie> don't bother looking at the info..just the format/colors of the page
02-04-98 22:03:09 -> mandie text is running into the (blank) Blue Bar on the right.....can't read the link (running at 1024 X 768 X 256 on a 17")
02-04-98 22:03:49 <MickBrown> My lookup says you're at 129.37.44.172
02-04-98 22:03:50 -> SunnyBear yes.....I currently have one at Geocities....but the damn commercials are pissing me off
02-04-98 22:04:29 <mandie> hmm
02-04-98 22:04:30 <mandie> abraxas: the blue on the right is intentional....those are the links to other pages
02-04-98 22:04:31 <mandie> abraxas: makes more sense to put the links on the right by the scroll bar for an easy mouse click :)
02-04-98 22:04:57 <SunnyBear> how much space you have now?
02-04-98 22:05:00 <mandie> mick: that's correct
02-04-98 22:05:24 -> mandie no....the empty blue bar (near right, before the one with the links)....teh amin text on the page is into that bar, and I can't read the link in the text
02-04-98 22:05:39 <mandie> ah
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02-04-98 22:05:58 <mandie> ok, need to work on that
02-04-98 22:06:07 <SunnyBear> I can't get to the test page darn it..
02-04-98 22:06:29 <Spoc> Seems to work fine here.
02-04-98 22:06:30 <mandie> sunny: try the 192.17.44.172/test
02-04-98 22:06:35 <mandie> oops
02-04-98 22:06:39 <mandie> 129.37.44.172
02-04-98 22:06:57 -> SunnyBear I think I have 1 or 2 meg.....I have a Delphi account that gives me 10meg....but I've never figured out how to upload my pages there. :-(
02-04-98 22:07:04 <mandie> I think I'll just leave the same format and change colors
02-04-98 22:07:35 <Spoc> what html editor do you use mandie?
02-04-98 22:07:57 <mandie> spoc: HTML Studio...but that was just done with e
02-04-98 22:08:06 <SunnyBear> Abraxas: you have a user dir at delphi, right?
02-04-98 22:08:13 <MickBrown> what's there looks OK except for a slight color mismatch on the right side links
02-04-98 22:08:14 -> mandie maybe shorten the line-lenghth of that paragraph to fit between the left margin and the first (full-lenghth) blue bar???
02-04-98 22:08:20 -> SunnyBear yes
02-04-98 22:08:27 <mandie> mick: the blue?
02-04-98 22:08:33 <SunnyBear> you can't ftp into it?
02-04-98 22:09:19 -> SunnyBear yes.....I can...but uploading a 500k file seems to fill the entire (alloted) 10 meg
02-04-98 22:10:12 -> SunnyBear At least that's what the system tells me
02-04-98 22:10:16 <Swordedge> mandie, from looking at your page, you are using a gif for the dark blue on the left. I get the blue box of links starting in the middle of the second iteration of the gif and the end after it. It looks a little odd
02-04-98 22:10:20 <MickBrown> yes... I think it is a NS color cube problem.. GIF/JPG dither differentely than #AABBCC color specifications
02-04-98 22:10:49 <SunnyBear> Abraxas: have you telnetted in to see whats actually in your user dir.. the login should give you your quota and usage..
02-04-98 22:10:51 <mandie> hmm
02-04-98 22:10:52 <Spoc> hmmm
02-04-98 22:11:21 -> SunnyBear nope...haven't tried that....Delphi is a "strange" system to use
02-04-98 22:11:27 <MickBrown> I'm using a 800x600 screen res and NS is about 85% of the screen width
02-04-98 22:11:40 <mandie> I use 800x600 also
02-04-98 22:11:52 * Spoc is using 800x600x64k
02-04-98 22:11:52 * Abraxas is at 1024 X 768
02-04-98 22:12:02 <Spoc> colors are fine.
02-04-98 22:12:08 -> 256 colors
02-04-98 22:12:15 <mandie> ok 16K
02-04-98 22:12:18 <Swordedge> 1152*864*65536
02-04-98 22:12:22 <Spoc> Ah... NS/2 sucks with 256.
02-04-98 22:12:58 <mandie> spoc: that's the MIN :)
02-04-98 22:13:08 <Spoc> Yup.
02-04-98 22:13:22 <Swordedge> I have always wanted to full screen NS at its own resolution/color depth, then I'd do 1280 on the desk
02-04-98 22:13:44 <MickBrown> NS color specs only match reliably on 00 33 66 99 cc ff
02-04-98 22:14:21 <Spoc> I get the best size/performance ratio at 800x600
02-04-98 22:14:39 <Swordedge> big on a 20" monitor ;-)
02-04-98 22:15:02 <Spoc> only a 15" here.
02-04-98 22:16:39 * Abraxas is getting *VERY* sleepy.....gotta go
02-04-98 22:16:57 <mandie> yep, time to call it a night....
02-04-98 22:17:01 <mandie> Thank you all for coming!!!!
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02-04-98 22:36:08 <MickBrown> well I ought to go. night folks. I'll try to get here for Tim Sipples on 18th.
02-04-98 22:36:10 <Swordedge> it says they charge a lot for their code
02-04-98 22:36:23 -> MickBrown g'night....and thanks for coming
02-04-98 22:36:39 <MickBrown> also said they kinda forced the OEMs to support them against the DOJ
02-04-98 22:37:33 <MickBrown> again night.
02-04-98 22:37:35 <Swordedge> that started with the little provision in the lisense agreement to call MS "before" answering government questions.
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02-04-98 22:38:02 * Abraxas is Away sleeping......
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02-04-98 22:38:15 -> Good Night, all.....see ya next time
02-04-98 22:38:34 <trixer> niters
02-04-98 22:38:45 <Swordedge> yea and maybe my server will behave next time too
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02-04-98 22:51:29 <SunnyBear> our server behaved..
02-04-98 22:54:58 <SunnyBear> welp folksies.. I got some stuff to upgrade.. so I may shutdown for a bit..
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02-04-98 23:38:11 <Giskard> Was there much said at the meeting tonight?
02-04-98 23:38:31 <Giskard> Hello?
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