General VOICE Meeting from 04/02/2001

<madodel>	Mandie what else is on the Agenda besides SSL
<mandie>	2. _Sponsor Page update(s)
<mandie>	3. What do you want today?
<mandie>	(to nclude BoD nominations)
<JulianD>	I used the icon in System Setup to create the diskettes
<mandie>	. Jousting.
<mandie>	5. VOICE1 -
<mandie>	a. Relish/Relish web.
<mandie>	b. DBeXpert.
<mandie>	c. MySQL-
<mandie>	d. Search.
<mandie>	e. NEWSgroups.
<mandie>	6. Are we (the BoD) on the same page?
<Hoss>	kill +6. please.
<Hoss>	;-)
<Sector>	/kill +6 Hoss
<Hoss>	lol
<madodel>	OK folks, Can we start before everyone drifts away?
<mandie>	Julian: I tried but the kernal is much larger with fp16 and all of the files won't fit on disk 1
<mandie>	err...fp15
<mandie>	sorry...I'll be quiet now :)
<Hoss>	I'll take that as my cue..... madodel...
<Hoss>	I'd like to welcome all__ of you to the meeting tonight. VOICE appreciates your participation.
<madodel>	First does anyone have Peter's treasury report from the other day?
<mandie>	not I...did we run a log?
*	Sector wasn't there to make a log
<madodel>	I remeber him saying we had 260+ members and something like $4400 CND
<Hoss>	I didn't. I still have not locally recovered from the changes I had to make when we had to 'evac' the server.
<mandie>	that's pretty close
<madodel>	OK, let's leave it at that. Abel you take over now on the SSL stuff
<Hoss>	ok. I'll do the best I can.
<os2r>	may I ask, what is SSL?
<Hoss>	Secure Socket LAyer.
<mandie>	Secure Socket Layer
<os2r>	thank you
<Hoss>	"Certificates" and the like for the os2voice.org domain.
<Sector>	Encrypted communication between your webrowser and the server
<mandie>
<Swanee>	For credit card sales and that kind of thing
<mandie>	I think the Thwate cert should be purchased "IF" we process cc for Warpstock
<Hoss>	VOICE1 our server currently has the ability to offer this feature. It has not been enabled _yet_.
<mandie>	and I think Warpstock should assume the cost of such
<Swanee>	mandie: How much will the certificate and all else cost for the complete setup?
<Swanee>	or Abel...
<Hoss>	VOICE is considering at least 2 things a this point to use SSL capability for.
<Hoss>	1. VOICE membership reg's and re-reg's/
<Hoss>	2. WARPSTOCK Registrations.
<Hoss>	Neither is a given.
<Hoss>	Background :
<Hoss>	Thawter cert's cost $125.00 USD.
<Hoss>	oops. THAWTE.
<mandie>	I really butchered it :)
<Hoss>	one_ domain. one certificate.
<Swanee>	per year or lifetime?
<JulianD>	Who's THAWTE? I thought Verisign was the certificate body.
<Hoss>	There are several___ Certificate Authoritys.
<JulianD>	ok
<Hoss>	Verisign cost's upwards of $450 USD.
<mandie>	Thawte is a Verisign Co
<Hoss>	SWanee - I don't recal but I think it's lifetime.
<Swanee>	K
<mandie>	$125 - $100 Renewal
<Hoss>	good answer mandie.
<mandie>	I'm at the site..didn't pull that out of the air ya know :)
<JulianD>	Hello WarpedOS2
<Hoss>	My browser is tied up with DTOC at the moment....
<mandie>	I'll do the browsing then :)
*	Sector takes mandie's Credit Cards away
<mandie>	lol
<Hoss>	Anyway, we have had _numerous_ problems with the curent scheme of processing memberships... at BMT.
<Hoss>	VOICE has many challenges. Processing membership applicatins should be breadnbutter.
<Hoss>	in other words, it is our revenue source, It should be simple and clean for the member as well as VOICE.
<mandie>	this is true, but our Treasurer will need to do the processing
<Hoss>	correct mandie....
<JulianD>	Besides the certificate, what is the cost for processing the transaction?
<madodel>	Anyone know what we currently pay BMT and Mensys to process our memberships?
<Hoss>	That depends JulianD on who and how we chose to do the actual "transaction"
<Hoss>	that's waht most of this discussin tonight is about.
<mandie>	I believe BMT is 7 or 10%
<Hoss>	right now we pay about $2.50 per membership at BMT. see what mandie said ^^^^
<mandie>	a cc company may charge a fee of approx 3%
<madodel>	There is also the fact that we would get access to the funds much quicker, rather then a batch every month or so.
<mandie>	this is also additional bookwork for our treasurer for Warpstock's records
<mandie>	they haven't mentioned this yet....
<Hoss>	this is true... very__ true.
<mandie>	BMT maintained a database for all Warpstock Registrants
<mandie>	it included ALL the info that was filled out on the order
<DSOM_eCS>	Greetings.
<os2r>	BMT's fee included that?
<madodel>	couldn't we just notify them when a payment is processed?
<mandie>	yes
<JulianD>	Hello DSOM_eCS
<Sector>	Hi DSOM_eCS
<mandie>	madodel: they will need all of the information pertaining to that registration
<JulianD>	Won't cc give us a QIF file that we could sort into the correct accounts?
<madodel>	True, but won't that be entered when it is processed?
<mandie>	there's alot more involved in this than just accepting cc and sending them the monies
<Hoss>	That all depend's .... who is gonna write the html, and the cgi's to get it done?
<mandie>	Hoss: what does this super duper app (can't recall the name) that Timur talks about....what's it do?
<Hoss>	or yes. WarpCharge.
<Swanee>	WarpCharge?
<mandie>	that
<mandie>	oops..that's it...
<mandie>	going to see if I can locate info on it
<os2r>	n
<madodel>	Is Warpcharge just an interface to the CC processor, or does it have a web front end to collect the actual information?
<Swanee>	I think it is just the kind of thing we would need if we do this
<mandie>	maybe it maintains a dB
<Hoss>	it is the kind of thing we need.
<Swanee>	My impression was that it was a whole setup like shopping cart etc.
<Hoss>	no it does not maiantian a DB excpet for the "TRansaction itself."..
<Swanee>	Hoss: We can parse the transaction probably and write them to a DB
<madodel>	So we are not completely sure what WarpCharge is capable of
<mandie>	so Echo provides a discount to WarpCharge customers...charge is $125
<Hoss>	I am sure what it is capable of.
<Hoss>	the info it keeps is only creditcard related.
<Hoss>	the transaction.
<Hoss>	you can extend it's capabilites... as far as that goes like Swanee said..
<Hoss>	but the time_ it would take for _me_ to do it... WARPSTOCK can't afford.
<mandie>	;you'd better believeit
<mandie>	last year BMT charged them programming fees
<mandie>	the criteria that they wanted in the database took some programming to get
<madodel>	You mean 2 years ago. They didn't use BMT last year. Mensys only
<mandie>	sorry...2 years ago..thank you:)
<mandie>	I don't think they are looking at the whole picture when they asked us if we would be willing to do the cc transactions
<Hoss>	http://voice.warpnet.homeip.net/warpchargedoc/
<JulianD>	Also, http://www2.thetaband.com/WarpCharge/info.html
<mandie>	maybe we need to meet with them and discuss this a bit deeper before proceeding
<Hoss>	mandie, I agree with you. they didn't.
<mandie>	or Hoss you can just con't with Timur
<mandie>	Hoss: after all...you do have a day job :)
<Hoss>	I would prefer to have a meeting with them where we lay out all our concerns' Time is running short for THEM.
<Hoss>	WE have all the time WE need.
<mandie>	lack of responses to our questions is making time even shorter
<Hoss>	that is correct.
<Swanee>	I agree, we need to spell it all out and get their view too.
<Hoss>	If they want us to be an ISV ... for this... well.. need I say more?
<Hoss>	We can host it. If they buld it. that's my opinion.
<Hoss>	build.
<os2r>	gotta go for a bit......bbl
<mandie>	that's what we'd be doing by going the Warpcharge/Echo route...but we need to inquire about the info they need from each transaction
<mandie>	and a SSL cert may not even be needed
<madodel>	OK, then maybe the VOICE BoD should meet with WS instead of trying to pry info out of one person
<mandie>	the transaction will take place on the ECHO site not voice....
<madodel>	I think you are right
<madodel>	The requirements don't say anything about a certificate
<Hoss>	An SSL-enabled web server program for OS/2, such as the Lotus Domino Go Web Server 4.6.2.5 with strong encryption that ships with OS/2 Warp Server for E-business. <<--REQUIREMENT
<mandie>	that covers it...
<Hoss>	That's straight from the WarpCharge Docs.
<madodel>	So an SSL web server requires a certificate?
<mandie>	no
<Hoss>	You must configure your server for SSL encryption so that the orders from your customers are securely transmitted over the Internet. This will require you to obtain a digital certificate from a Certificate Authority for your secure
<mandie>	I think the info is entered prior to them go to ECHO
<Hoss>	Again, that's from the WarpCharge docs.
<Hoss>	WarpCharge will require a certificate.
<Hoss>	on our server.
<WarpedOS2>	How secure is the server?
<Hoss>	How secure? We have survived more than 3 DOS attacks. unscathed.
<Hoss>	LDGW is _very_ secure setup properly.
<Hoss>	Ans so is Apache.
<Hoss>	AS of right now our mail server is taking over 350 hits an hour trying to shut it down.
<Hoss>	they are wasting their time.
<madodel>	When will that idiot ISP turn that off?
<Hoss>	Remains to be seen madodel.
<Swanee>	Is that the bounced mail you're talking about?
<mandie>	I have a suggestion...
<mandie>	Hoss: you had the email to Timur started th other day
<Hoss>	If I get a day off this week I plan to reopne my uunet security ticket and get oceana.net and AT&T re-involved.
<mandie>	how about adding our questions/concerns and ask him to post to the Warpstock BOD and request a meeting with them
<Hoss>	mandie -->. I would appreciate it if someone else were to author that message. I am afraid my attitude would sho thru.. ;-)
<mandie>	I think it only appropriate that it come from you seeing that you and Timur were supposed to be handling this little dealie :)
<Hoss>	I have enough_ to do. I will edit it and send it.
<Hoss>	I'll pst a copy to admin tomorrow.
<Hoss>	I'll add what I can from this discussion tonight... and we'l shall see how it goes...
*	Hoss hopes there's a logger////
<madodel>	i'm logging
<mandie>	where there's Sector...there's logger :)
<Swanee>	I "think" I am...
<Sector>	It's being logged
<mandie>	where there's Swanee..there's smoke :)
<Hoss>	If_ anyone here_ has experience in this area... please contact secretary@os2voice.org
<Swanee>	mandie: haha
<Hoss>	ok.
<Hoss>	so what's next on the agenda Ms. Liason?
<mandie>	2. _Sponsor Page update(s)
<Hoss>	our prices are too high.
*	Hoss has a very speciall announcement before the meeting is over so don't anyone leave... ;-)
<mandie>	I thought you were referring to our "Current Sponsors" meaning the ones that give our members software discounts
<mandie>	I don't understand why GammaTech now has N/A
<mandie>	Benny has not withdrawn his discount to us
<mandie>	and BMT is no longer a sponser
<mandie>	I think I'm confused with that page
*	Hoss knows _ he is confused about that page. ( some others as well.. but we won't go there. hehe).
<mandie>	I think it's a bit pricey also
<madodel>	The discount page still lists Millenium Technology, Stardock, GT, Panacea and Spellguard
<mandie>	I'll try to work on that this week....
<Swanee>	We can't find SpellGuard anymore
<mandie>	we'll get rid of them and I'll see if I can't get some others to offer discounts to our members
<Hoss>	ok, any volunteer's to comeuo with a "restructuring of that area" and make a presentation?
<madodel>	You know if we do get our own server, we mightbe able to get some more deals going. The current discount page gets a NOT FOUND at BMT
<Sector>	Perhaps a trade for Web/FTP space for some of the shareware authors in exchange for a discount to VOICE membersù
<mandie>	brb
<Sector>	Hi SiuueD
<mandie>	most have their own site..and they want to get their name out there
<Sector>	It's XRange
<madodel>	AFAIK, the Warp Databook discount is still being honored. by David
<Hoss>	www.pandora-s.box.os2voice.org
<SiuueD>	g'day to one and all
<XRange>	hi folks
<XRange>	hi Sector
<Sector>	True they usually do, but sometimes ISP's can get picky... Also could be a mirror site
<Hoss>	hehe, that was a joke. url.
<Hoss>	in all seriousness VOICE can offer these type services...
<madodel>	OK, we need to remove everything from that page except for GT then
<Hoss>	trades, exchange, barter... If we decide to do it.
<Sector>	Perhaps a mailing list for there product could be offered
<Hoss>	Sector, that is possible.
<madodel>	Oh god not another mail list
<madodel>	:-)
<Hoss>	lol .. valid concern madodel.
<madodel>	They can only have a mail list if its not popular
<Hoss>	ok. so anyone willing to redo the "sponsor_page area" ?
<Sector>	What if it's not popular but after VOICE offers it it gets popularù
<Hoss>	Clint EastByte : "A server has to know it's limitations."
<Swanee>	Sector: Then madodel will camp in front of their house to stop them from making B%&*$er St*&$ers
<Hoss>	No volunteers.... for either of these tasks. so let's go on to the next.
<Hoss>	waht's #3. we are running over....
<Hoss>	Nominations for Officers will be accepted at nominate@os2voice.org
<Hoss>	The current openings are for President and Secretary.
<Hoss>	madodel ->> we requested the nominees send some "bio" info and what else to that email address??
<madodel>	The position they are nominating themselves for
<Sector>	If you are intersted please send a
<Sector>	short bio to nominate@os2voice.org along with the position you are
<Sector>	nominating yourself for.
<Hoss>	Thank you Sector.
<Hoss>	thanks mark.
<madodel>	I think we need to stress that if we don't fill the positions, then eventually the current BoD will burn out, and VOICE will die, even though we do continue to get new members
<madodel>	and we cannot continue to add new services unless there is someone to help out
<Hoss>	I think we should implement the Waht do you want to do today campaign.
<Sector>	And we sure don't want that
<JulianD>	Back on #2, I'll update the sponsor page. Who do I need to coordinate with?
<Swanee>	You just want ideas for price range etc? http://www.pillarsoft.net/voice_sponserinfo.htm
<Swanee>	Sorry to pick up an old subject
<Swanee>	hehe JulianD is ready to do it too. Go for it JulianD!! I'm not sure what we want.
<madodel>	JulianD: I think Judy said she would check with Benny to make sure his offer is still valid.
<madodel>	Should we ask David Both if his offer is still good?
<madodel>	Any suggestions for any other offers to look into?
<JulianD>	I thought the question was, Who wanted to clean-up the web page?
*	Sector notes the Bylaws could also use updating...
<madodel>	Sector: If we had a Secretary, then that could be done
*	Sector runs and hides
*	XRange lol
<Sector>	We do have one he's just been too busy being a System Administrator...
<mandie>	Wayne would move up to President and that would leave VP open
<mandie>	madodel: I plan on emailing him about it
<Hoss>	julianD --coordinate that with webmaster@os2voice.org please.
<Swanee>	madodel: I put the sponser table back in until we know what's going on.
<Hoss>	Gang I did get the os2voice.org domain reg's in my po box today!!
<mandie>	great
<Sector>	Good
<Hoss>	working with treas n getting them paid.
<mandie>	off topic
<Hoss>	oops. sorry.
<mandie>	weren't we supposed to have a Sundial speakup tonight?
<mandie>	this is an even month
<madodel>	No that is next month
<mandie>	ok
<madodel>	They changed it starting last month
<madodel>	JulianD: We need to confirm who is or isn't still a sponsor
<Sector>	mandie will have to take away your powers of speech for the next infraction.
*	mandie looks around for her short term memory!
<mandie>	Sector: better have that army by your side :)
*	Sector passes some spare 256k DRAM to mandie
<mandie>	hehe
<Swanee>	mandie: Forget where you put it? Just wait... your long term memory will kick in in a couple of years
<mandie>	LOL
<JulianD>	madodel: I'll coordinate with webmaster@os2voice.org. Confirm noted.
<Sector>	Long term only works if it's properly refreshed
<mandie>	well, I have some VERY "refreshing" memories :)
<madodel>	What is next on the Agenda
<mandie>	4. Jousting.
<Swanee>	mandie: Get yer stick up... I'm a comin at ya
<mandie>	uh oh :)
<mandie>	hope you've got a BIG stick!
*	Sector doesn't think mandie has a stick
<Hoss>	LEt's table jousting it relates too much to the last topic.
*	Swanee takes a longpole in the pecs... AARRRGGGHHHH! That's it! I'M DONE!
<mandie>	5. VOICE1 -
<mandie>	a. Relish/Relish web.
<mandie>	wimp! :)
<Swanee>	:-)
<Hoss>	Do we want to use Relish/Relish web for coordinating the tasks on our server and VOICE events?
<mandie>	such as........
<madodel>	do we have a copy of Relish Web?
*	Hoss knows where there is a license...
<Swanee>	Hoss: Is it on your car bumper?
<Hoss>	no, my horse-trailer!
*	Swanee is glad it's not as sticker...
*	Swanee is glad it's not "A" sticker...
<Hoss>	hehe
<mandie>	table this for now
<Hoss>	Bad idea. we will continue to use our current calendaring system.
<Swanee>	"as sticker" sounds like a shot from the doc
<mandie>	b. DBeXpert.
<mandie>	c. MySQL-
<mandie>	d. Search.
<mandie>	e. NEWSgroups.
<Hoss>	MySQL is loaded on the server.
<Hoss>	someone want to admin MYSQL?
<Hoss>	NewsGroups....
<Hoss>	We can do this... if we want to.
<Swanee>	You have Maestro running now?
<Sector>	Hmmm, admin isn't that what we have a System Administrator forù ;>
<Hoss>	That leaves my THUNDER!!!
<mandie>	Maestro is great
*	Sector covers his ears
<Hoss>	I take immense pride and pleasure to open publically the follwing url :::::
<Hoss>	http://www.os2voice.org/search/www-gtw.cmd?
<Hoss>	Warpcast archives and Voice newsletter's fully searchable!!
<mandie>	beautiful!
<madodel>	Are there any plans to provide search for Warp Doctor as well?
<Swanee>	Oops! Sorry Hoss! I didn't know you were going to announce it tonight. :-)
<Hoss>	madodel : yes!
<mandie>	he needs a REAL client
*	XRange says Sector rest easy tonight
<Sector>	Hmmù
<Sector>	wb JulianD
<Swanee>	Hoss: The search works great!
<madodel>	Also is there anyway to limit the Search to English pages or German pages? We have started to add CONTENT="en" and CONTENT="de" on the Newsletter pages
<XRange>	hi JulianD
<JulianD>	This unregistered version of Openchat I got yesterday keeps timing out.
<mandie>	!ask irc
<VoiceBot>	[irc] http://oeonline.com/~mandie1/irc_clients.html (mandie)
<XRange>	every 30min
<mandie>	ewwwwwww...that's outdated
<JulianD>	60min
<mandie>	!ask irc
<VoiceBot>	[irc] http://moon-scape.com/warp/irc_clients.html (mandie)
<Hoss>	madodel : I am working on those issues with the german webamster.
<Hoss>	webmaster even.
<madodel>	Cool. We are really making progress. Now if we can get a News list archive we'll be rocking
<Swanee>	I thought you said webhampster
<Hoss>	hehe!
<mandie>	lol
<Swanee>	Hoss: Are we going to make the WarpCast pages available?
<Swanee>	Since we can search them already
<Hoss>	Well it can be done...
<JulianD>	I'm going to have to pick another one. This one seems to be unsupported.
<Swanee>	And... are there any more WarpCast messages we need to archive or did we get them all?
<madodel>	We need to decide where to have them available
<Hoss>	they already are if one knows were to look ....
<Hoss>	and how to look ....
<Hoss>	I purposefully didn't make it obvious. _yet_ waiting for that very decision madodel.
<mandie>	VOICE members get a 40% discount on GTIRC
<Sector>	Is that retroactiveù
<madodel>	Should we contact David to see if the Warp DataBook discount still applies
<mandie>	I think you can get it anytime
<XRange>	what you get for trade-ins mandie
<Hoss>	http://www.os2voice.org/warpcast/index.htm (IIRC).
<mandie>	madodel: you missed my reply...I said I would contact him
<Sector>	Hehe, I registered GTIRC before joining VOICE...
<JulianD>	mandie: I'll look at it.
<madodel>	having only one discount looks really sad
<mandie>	looks very bad...I'll attempt to round up some new ones this week
*	Sector hands mandie a lasso
<mandie>	:)
<DSOM_eCS>	Wonderwoman?
<mandie>	although, there weren't alot of ppl that took advantage of those anyway
<mandie>	no wonder! :)
<Hoss>	DSOM_eCS : She definitely is!! in ways yu'll never know!!!
*	XRange open swinging gate mandie
<mandie>	I need to go....but I'll catch up in the log
<Sector>	Bye mandie
<mandie>	6. Are we (the BoD) on the same page?
<Hoss>	buh bye mandie...
<mandie>	bye Sector :)
<XRange>	bye mandie
<mandie>	by Hoss XRange et all :)
<Hoss>	ok. so now that ya'll are wearing out the search page...
<JulianD>	Is the meeting winding down?
<trouvere>	potential advrtiser/discounter--Filestar/2 author.
<madodel>	Jim Read
<madodel>	trouvere: Do you have contact with Jim?
<Hoss>	sort of... JulianD, We do appreciate you attending.. and would like to open the lfoor to any _ questions, comments , etc ...
<trouvere>	only when i have had a question about fs/2
<madodel>	The Newsletter will be doing a review of FileStar/2 in a month or so
<trouvere>	madodel,
<madodel>	I've been in the FileStar/2 beta
<trouvere>	good time to ask
<madodel>	We can ask judy to contact him
<JulianD>	My note to webmaster@os2voice.org bounced.
<madodel>	Hoss: did you get my email about submit@os2voice.org?
<XRange>	with this in return see http://www.orbs.org
<madodel>	Are we having email problems?
<trouvere>	Any one here?
<Sector>	Nah, they all checked out
<madodel>	that's what i'm wondering
<XRange>	yell
<JulianD>	Should I try the email later?
<madodel>	seems liek there is a problem
<JulianD>	What's involved with the secretary position?
<madodel>	In the mean time send it to judy@moonscape.com
<XRange>	send what to judy@moonscape.com?
<madodel>	Responsible for logging meetings, maintaining coorespondence and the bylaws
<Hoss>	no email problems. just issues. seems the RBL at orbs is working.
<Hoss>	everything I haven't done.... that's what the secretary does!!
<madodel>	JulianD: see http://www.os2voice.org/bylaws.html and search on secretary
*	Hoss is kiddin a lil...
<XRange>	got that copy JunkSpy working now.
<JulianD>	I'll take a look, madodel.
<Sector>	Hoss, your excused since you moved to System Administrator which is what created an opening in the first place.
<XRange>	found my key for it.
<madodel>	JulianD: You also have to show up at these meetings. :-)
*	XRange get here late
<Sector>	Whew, that let's me outð
<madodel>	XRange: That address was for JulianD since webmaster@os2voice.org wasn't working and Judy is checking on the sponsorship stuff
<XRange>	k
<JulianD>	madodel: I was going to raising logging to new heights by not being present :)
<trouvere>	madodel, were you going to write judy about filestar?
<Sector>	Remote logging
<madodel>	JulianD: well actually that is possible. I am in channel 24/7 usually but often not here. i do sleep on occasion
<madodel>	trouvere: you can do that if you like. It's just an email. :-)
<trouvere>	ok
<JulianD>	The wonder of bots.
<Sector>	Here a bot, there a bot everywhere a bot bot
*	XRange don't let Sector off hook that easy :)
<JulianD>	I do think the secretary of an organization should be at the meetings.
<Hoss>	I turned off the RBL list check and so forth.
<Hoss>	had to restart weasel...
*	JulianD bot, bot, bot ....
<Sector>	Haven't I been on the hook long enoughù
<madodel>	JulianD: You'd have to get a real IRC client and figure out how to turn on logging. ;-)
<Hoss>	webamster@os2voice.org and nominate @os2voice.org are _Valid_ addresses.
<Hoss>	oops. speeling error!
<Hoss>	webmaster@os2voice.org
<Hoss>	nominate@os2voice.org
<XRange>	right click does good in OpenChat with the Gem
<Sector>	There's that webhampster again
<Hoss>	squeaky
<JulianD>	I've got logging turned on. It seems to be working. I'm using Openchat/2. I just don't seem to be able to register it because the links are dead on BMT and Mensys.
<XRange>	second resend worked
<madodel>	JulianD: I know I was just kidding. Hence the :-)
<XRange>	could sell my key but then I have to find something else
<JulianD>	madodel: I know :-) I just thought you might have some other information. :-)
<trouvere>	JulianD, gtirc works well, and there's a discount :-)
<XRange>	JulianD try voice call to BMT.
<XRange>	hello os2r
<os2r>	hi XRange
<JulianD>	I'll look at it. How do I get the discount? It's not reference on the GammaTech webpage?
<trouvere>	Dunno--registered it before i joined
*	Sector has been logging #voice since WarpStock 98
<Sector>	Same here, registered mine before joining VOICE as well...
<XRange>	os2r that fix does work but I just tried it today on friends machine in Lexington, NC today.
<JulianD>	Sector: How do filter it? The log I looked at yesterday doesn't seem to be time stamped.
<Sector>	Depends on the client, logging can very.
<Hoss>	ahhh...
<madodel>	depends on the client. Some put in time stamps. GTIRC doesn't
<madodel>	ahhh what?
<Hoss>	there's the "Reject mail from open relays." button.
<JulianD>	Neither does Openchat apparently.
<madodel>	VIRC does
<Sector>	Time stamping isn't required
<WarpedOS2>	Anyone tried the personal finance program ... moneyDance
<Hoss>	I had that enabled to assist in the latest mail attack. that's why some folks can't do mail with us.
<madodel>	Ahha
<trouvere>	JulianD, look on the VOICE adv. page--maybe it tells how there
<Hoss>	Price one pay's for security.
<Hoss>	EZIRC does a wonderful job.
<Hoss>	I even have a live "weblogger" that can be implemented...
<Swanee>	JulianD: I can't get anywhere on finding info on OpenChat. All the links are gone.
<JulianD>	Hoss: EZIRC does have that free price advantage. I downloaded it for the readme file, but I haven't installed it.
<XRange>	does that mean OpenChat/2 is free ware then
<Swanee>	I doubt it.
<Hoss>	EZIRC is very_ flexible as far as scripting goes...
<Hoss>	Autojoins, ops, messaging etc...
<XRange>	just dead-ware then
<Hoss>	nominate just got email.
<JulianD>	Hoss: This sounds good.
<Swanee>	XRange: Yep. It's too bad, it's a great irc client.
<XRange>	true
<Hoss>	from 207.44.96.86
<Swanee>	XRange: Same as I
<XRange>	i've had mine couple years
<JulianD>	gotta go, take care all.
<XRange>	bye JulianD
<Hoss>	the ini is "hand editable" as well.
<trouvere>	<-also leaving--good evening, all
<madodel>	Thanks for coming
<Swanee>	XRange: I got it in 98 I think...
<DSOM_eCS>	Later trouvere.
<XRange>	See ya trouvere
<madodel>	I have to go myself
<Swanee>	Nite fellas
<XRange>	See ya madodel
<Swanee>	I should run also
<Swanee>	See you all
<XRange>	4:30 am est comes early also
<madodel>	Good night all
<Hoss>	nite
<Hoss>	looks like th party is over.
<Sector>	Goodnight madodel
<os2r>	nite all
<Sector>	And off they all run
<Hoss>	Seems as though I clamped down _way_ too hard.. on the mail server...
<Hoss>	caused some angst amongst our own user's.
<Juliand>	EZIRC does have possibilities.
<Hoss>	the mouse does some really neato things....
<Hoss>	the script that swanee supplied to setup autojoin ... is great..
<Hoss>	the ezirc.ini is hand editable..
<Juliand>	I like layered windows with a good font. Yes there is good stuff under button 2.
<Hoss>	I have one of my 9 desktops devoted to irc.
<Juliand>	The program is also small. I guess that's the 128k single sided diskette in me talking :-)
<Hoss>	EZ seems to do a good job of making use of that space.
*	Sector also has a desktop devoted to IRC. (But a real one)
<Hoss>	these are real as well...
<Hoss>	all 9 of them.
*	Juliand I've never played around with multiple desktops. Is this useful for organizing multitaking?
<Sector>	Non virtualù
<Hoss>	uh huh.
<Hoss>	9lives. 9 desktops.
<Hoss>	same 9 dekstops. with differnt stuff on them..
<Sector>	Hmmmmm
<DSOM_eCS>	I'm using Object Desktop at the moment with 10 Virtual Desktops.
*	Sector doesn't believe in virtual desktops
<Hoss>	My arrangement here would scare most users.
<Juliand>	Bye
<Sector>	Bye Juliand
*	Sector notes OS/2 users aren't most users
<DSOM_eCS>	Yes.
<Hoss>	I agree. THere are some OS2 users that could actually navigate my desktop.
<Hoss>	Ther are many of them that would get really lost when they sat down in front of it.
<Sector>	That could happen