| <Walter> | Let's get started with the meeting.
| <Walter> | This meeting of VOICE is now in session.
| <Walter> | You'll find the agenda at http://www.os2voice.org/agendas/VOICE_2002-06-03.html
| <Walter> | Sector, you recording the mtg as usual?
| <Sector> | Affirmative
| <Walter> | Item 3: Treasurer's report
| <Walter> | Peter, how much is in the bank?
| <Sector> | Hey, what happened to Item 2¨
| <Projects> | $7168.29 CDN
| <Sector> | $4,697.06 USD
| <Walter> | Oops! I guess that was Item 2.
| <Walter> | OK, Now the real Item 3: Old Business
| <Walter> | a) Peter, can you give us an update on the MerchantAccount negotiations?
| <Projects> | paste follows:
| <Projects> | Hello Peter, you will not require a SSL certificate, because the last page
| <Projects> | of the transaction process actually occurs on the payment gateway webserver,
| <Projects> | which has it's own SSL certificate.
| <Projects> | Because of this you will never have to worry about the security of your
| <Projects> | customers, as you will never have to worry about credit card numbers
| <Projects> | floating around anywhere in your server log files. So - having or not
| <Projects> | having a SSL cert will not effect your application.
| <Projects> | Let me know if you have any more questions.
| <Walter> | So we don't get a break for already having paid the $200. :-(
| <Walter> | OTOH it won't hurt us if we temporarily take down SSL support from VOICE1. Warpstock isn't using it either.
| <Walter> | This is probably going to occur when we upgrade Apache.
| <Walter> | We probably have enough information to vote on the MerchantAccount proposal now, but I hesitate to do so with
| <Walter> | so few people present.
| <MADecsSMP> | If VOICE can establish a shopping cart feature at some point in the future, Warpstock would be interested in using it.
| <Walter> | Peter, does their site come with a shopping cart, or support one?
| <MADecsSMP> | Right now Warpstock is going to use the one supplied by our bank just so we can get registration for Warpstock 2002 running.
| <Walter> | MerchantAccount's I mean
| <Projects> | Walter: I believe so
| <Walter> | Me too.
| <Walter> | That way Mark gets the info and send it to stan.
| <Walter> | Mark, M-A supports all kinds of companies inside of Canada and outside, and I can't imagine them doing and so not having a shopping cart feature
| <Walter> | doing so, and not having a shopping cart feature.
| <Walter> | Mark, can you say roughly how much your bank fees are going to cost, just for the sake of comparison?
| <MADecsSMP> | Stan is still looking into it. he did give some preliminary prices, but a lot depended on what features we went with.
| <MADecsSMP> | When Stan gives me the final prices I will send them to you
| <Walter> | You can see M-A's prices in the last VOICE meeting log.
| <Projects> | I can paste the MA pricing here if you'd like
| <Projects> | $369 - 1 time setup fee (was $497 - re: on site special promotion)
| <Projects> | $39 - monthly fee
| <Projects> | 3.95% discount rate
| <Projects> | $25 chargeback fee
| <Projects> | no per transaction fees
| <Projects> | no monthly minimum
| <Walter> | Peter, do you know what the setup fee includes?
| <MADecsSMP> | $39/month? Isn't that kind of steep? You need 2 membership fees just to pay the fee. Or is that Canadian?
| <Walter> | I'm wondering if they supply or build HTML document to communicate between our site and theirs
| <Walter> | Mark: All prices are Cdn.
| <MADecsSMP> | Also is there a different rate if VOICE were to supply their own shopping cart?
| <Projects> | for one, it includes a shopping cart
| <MADecsSMP> | Walter: OK, then I think its more in line with what Stan has found at Bank of America
| <MADecsSMP> | BOA is Warpstock's bank
| <Projects> | er... might now include the shopping cart... that's the full e-business solution that's $99/mo
| <Projects> | might not I meant to say...
| <Projects> | walteritis sets in
| <Walter> | Peter, according to M-A's website, they don't have a chargeback fee and make a big deal of this fact: http://www.merchant-accounts.ca/howmuch.htm
| <Projects> | yup... see the chargeback thing on the page I'm on too
| <Walter> | Peter, I don't think it does. On the page http://www.merchant-accounts.ca/technical.htm#howdo they mention shopping carts as not required but a good idea.
| <MADecsSMP> | We will be using www.bamart.com "This one's setup fee is $250 + $99 application fee and for up to 9 products is $19.95/month. Over 9 products and it's a $100/month."
| <MADecsSMP> | They have a $15 chargeback. All fees are in USD
| <Projects> | walter: scroll up... I retracted my shopping cart statement :-)
| <Walter> | There are several freeware or shareware compatible shopping carts. Some are compatible with OS/2 because they are Perl or CGI.
| <Walter> | I know--I was agreeing with you. :-)
| <MADecsSMP> | They have another option called "settle up" in which they don't supply the shopping cart, "The Setup fee for this is $175. + $99 for application fee. There would be a $19/mo fee for the service." That one doesn't appear to have an item limit.
| <Walter> | Peter, do you know (yet) how our site would interface with M-A? Is it through an HTML form, or...?
| <Projects> | dunno yet. We'll find that out once we get to the next step... buying it
| <Walter> | OK. Could you email them first. :-)
| <Projects> | will do
| <Walter> | Apart from that, I personally feel good enough about it to go ahead with it.
| <Walter> | However, I also think we need to send out a
| <Walter> | questionnaire to the membership, especially since it means spending their $$$.
| <Walter> | That means we're back to the members@ question.
| <Walter> | Vaughn, we just said we want to put the e-Business proposal account out for a vote using a questionnaire on members@
| <Walter> | So, what can you tell us about your progress in that area.*g*
| <WarpedOS2> | Well...I started to test a new group and put the first 20 users over...it seems that after a certain number of members get emails weasel give a "400 nameserver" error
| <Walter> | Oh dear.
| <Walter> | Is it possible weasel has a limit in it?
| <MADecsSMP> | Have you contacted Pete Moylan about it?
| <WarpedOS2> | So the new member group so far seems to be working...so will continue to add users till it fails or just works..
| <MADecsSMP> | We have over 800 subscribed to the News list. And that doesn't have the problem, at least not that I'm aware of
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