VOICE - General Meeting for 2003-07-19

VOICE - General Meeting for 2003-07-19
<WalterOS2> This meeting of VOICE is now in order. <WalterOS2> Ken, will you take the log, please? <KenKrchnr> Got it. <WalterOS2> Thx <eCSNL> First question, I gues Treasurer has not been able to send a financial report in time. I understood he was going on vacation ? <WalterOS2> Lately, I've been connecting directly to Jeremy's site I've had less trouble with disconnects, but you never know. :-) <WalterOS2> He was here this week, and I asked him for a report yesterday, but got no response. :-( <WalterOS2> here=home <eCSNL> So point 2a is scrapped from the Agenda I presume ? <WalterOS2> Looks like. <WalterOS2> 2b: <WalterOS2> From what Ken has told, VOICE2 has been running (in parallel) for some time. <KenKrchnr> Yes, about 6 weeks now. <WalterOS2> Doug is going to start running Warpdoctor in parallel on a server at his home this weekend, and see if he can keep it running for a couple of weeks. <Rat-Salad> from what I have worked with VOICE2... it is running great <WalterOS2> That's good to here. <WalterOS2> here=hear <WalterOS2> :-) <KenKrchnr> This morning I changed out our firewall, and updated Apache to 2.0.47. <KenKrchnr> 2.0.46 seemed to have some connection delay problems, but 47 seems good. <WalterOS2> I've sent in a fax to start the process of changing the domain account info for os2voice.org and os2voice.com. <Rat-Salad> so the 1.0 series is running well <Rat-Salad> err 2.0 <WalterOS2> They haven't responded yet, though. <Rat-Salad> umm I'm sorry Walter <Rat-Salad> I have access to everything now <Rat-Salad> I can change anything with the domains.. I got Abel's management passwords <WalterOS2> rs: for network solutions? <Rat-Salad> I apologize for the lack of communication the past couple of weeks <Rat-Salad> yes sir.. for network solutions, and names4ever <WalterOS2> rs: I asked anyone who had contacted them to post a message on admin. <Rat-Salad> I'm sorry <Rat-Salad> the past couple of weeks have been busy <Rat-Salad> but that's no excuse I know <WalterOS2> ken, do you remember who we decided at warpdoctor to list as the primary contact and technical contact? <WalterOS2> Of os2voice? <KenKrchnr> We need to setup a pseudo name. <KenKrchnr> Make up a name (like noc@os2voice.com), then we can give whoever needs access the name/password. <WalterOS2> That was because we didn't have access. But apparently we do. <KenKrchnr> You need a valid email address, but not a real name. <KenKrchnr> It would still be desirable to have tech be pseudo. That way you avoid having the same situation in the future. <WalterOS2> RatSalad: In the fax I sent in I had to affirm that I had the authority to make changes to the account, and that I was the President. <KenKrchnr> Make admin "president@os2voice.com" (or org), setup so that admin can change tech if necessary, but tech can't change admin. <WalterOS2> That is sort of what we agreed on. <WalterOS2> Pseudo names don't real help. If a person leaves VOICE, more often than not, his email becomes either bad or useless because the person may not respond for a very long time if at all. <WalterOS2> Multiple people is a better option IMO. <WalterOS2> real=really <KenKrchnr> That's why you need the pseudo. It's not tied to any one person. And if that person leaves, you can change the password without a lot of trouble. The organization is protected that way. <KenKrchnr> for example, <KenKrchnr> if tech is "noc", email "noc@os2voice.org", noc password is given to (sample) Jeremy, Hoss, Mark, Walter. - <KenKrchnr> If one of those people leaves, admin (President) can change the password and give the new password to those left. <KenKrchnr> (Or tech can change the password if in time) <WalterOS2> I can live with that. <KenKrchnr> It won't matter who leaves, the email is tied to the org, not the person. <WalterOS2> Except, what the heck is "noc"? <WalterOS2> :-) <KenKrchnr> Noc stands for Network Operations Center ;-) <WalterOS2> OK <KenKrchnr> And we'd probably end up as something like noc88754 or so, most ISP's use a similar arrangement. <WalterOS2> You're confusing and email address with a user account. <KenKrchnr> I just meant if we wanted to use "noc" for NS userid. <WalterOS2> I'm pretty sure noc@os2voice.org is unique; that's all they would care about. <KenKrchnr> That should work fine. <WalterOS2> The way Network Solutions works it is once they've "processed" the fax, they'll send me a "secure" email, and I've got 48 hours to respond and setup the account with the new information (including the passwords). <WalterOS2> The only information we're concerned about at this time is the primary or "admin" contact. <KenKrchnr> Yes, if I remember, that's wrook. <WalterOS2> After that, I/we can do the rest my/ourselves. <WalterOS2> Jeremy, if you would like to email me the current password, I can use that if you like. <WalterOS2> Once it's all done, I'll email to Mark, Ken, and you. <WalterOS2> email it. <Rat-Salad> I can send all the account information.. or I can do anything that needs to be done upon request.. whatever suites you best <WalterOS2> It's better if you send it just me first because we won't know what the information actually is, until everything's been accepted by their system. <WalterOS2> send it=send it to <Rat-Salad> ok.. I will get it to you then <WalterOS2> Thx :-) <WalterOS2> I think we sort of jumped into 2c. back there somewhere. :-) <WalterOS2> Ken or Jeremy: Is there any other stuff under 2c. that we didn't already talk about? <KenKrchnr> Nothing big. Jeremy setup the nameserver stuff so we're now independent of IW. <KenKrchnr> Has anybody noticed a difference? <WalterOS2> What kind of difference? <KenKrchnr> Any problems accessing or the like. <WalterOS2> The data files are still on IW, aren't they? <KenKrchnr> Yes, but voice doesn't use their nameservers anymore. <WarpedOS2> will the response times be better if for mail doing DNS lookups? <WalterOS2> No access problems, though. <WalterOS2> Hello WarpedOS2 <WarpedOS2> hi Walter <KenKrchnr> Response times shouldn't really be affected for mail. Where do you see a problem? <WarpedOS2> I am thinking more for the spam lookups? from orb <KenKrchnr> That's more a function of ordb's database response time. The time to lookup the ordb address is nil, it's waiting for them to lookup the address in their database that takes the time . <WarpedOS2> It still has to do a DNS lookup for the site...and if the nameserver is slow then latency will come into play and then Weasel will automatically label email as spam <WarpedOS2> I switched our Nameserver for our own internal for the school division and I was able to resolve that issue, <WalterOS2> What do you mean, "Weasel will automatically label email as spam" because of latency?! <KenKrchnr> That's not ordb though, that's reverse dns lookup to validate a connecting host. That would improve. <WarpedOS2> good <WarpedOS2> Yes I know it is not orb...it is the nameserver <WalterOS2> OK, 2d. Other Business <WalterOS2> Is there any other business? <WarpedOS2> What about giving www.os2voice.org a face lift... <WarpedOS2> how old is that webpage...sheesh <WalterOS2> I don't if Jeremy has the time. <WarpedOS2> It seems to be as old warp 3 <WalterOS2> He'd have to delegate it to someone else. :-) <WarpedOS2> a new format would be nice <WalterOS2> This has been brought up before, and FWIW I think it's a great idea. <Rat-Salad> well.. I can get to a redesign in time <WarpedOS2> what if I find a fellow to do it and he could adverstise his webmaster services for free .... <WarpedOS2> not sure he would do it but it would be worth a try <Rat-Salad> sorry.. I was away from the computer.. had a minor electrical problem here :) <WalterOS2> However, we would want to be compatible with as many browsers as possible, including WE and the text ones. <WarpedOS2> exactly <WarpedOS2> walter <eCSNL> Are you not giving your self a headache supporting <eCSNL> WE ? <eCSNL> Are there still people out there using it ? <WalterOS2> You betcha. <WarpedOS2> who? <WalterOS2> Not me, but I know others are. <eCSNL> There crazy! <Rat-Salad> as long as it supports tables I can make a compatible website... <WarpedOS2> I second it <eCSNL> You can't view ONE webpage with that piece of antique! <Rat-Salad> tables mean EVERYTHING <KenKrchnr> Forget 'em, we need lots of MS FrontPage stuff, and Flash 6, Real audio and video..... gd&rfc ;-) <WarpedOS2> WE won't do PHP though <eCSNL> I think that will be a problem... <WarpedOS2> what forget fp....PHP is the way to go <eCSNL> I don't use PHP <eCSNL> But Joachim at Mensys uses PHP for a lot of things... <Rat-Salad> fp? what's that? <WarpedOS2> FRONT PAGE...GARBAGE <Rat-Salad> hehe <Rat-Salad> personal.. I still with good ole HTML for as much as possible <WarpedOS2> we dont' support ASP stuff do we??????? <WalterOS2> You can see that web site tools are a hot topic!! <eCSNL> Its what I understand from him PHP is something you can not live with out.... <WarpedOS2> exactly eCSNL <eCSNL> Supporting Netscape no problem... <WarpedOS2> are we promoting an uptodate OS or something from the early 90's <eCSNL> Although I can tell you Netscape 4.61 is also a realy running out gas <WalterOS2> There are still a lot of sites that only NS can read. <Rat-Salad> Vaughn.. I believe Ken was talking tongue in cheek :) <WarpedOS2> OH ok...hehehe <eCSNL> WalterOS2 which website is that ? <eCSNL> Netscape is good at hanging the PMSHELL <eCSNL> And EXTREMELY slow page rendering.... <WarpedOS2> comeon guys....we need to focus on IE and mozilla...browsers and some backward compa... for netscape.. <WalterOS2> eCSNL: Tried accessing the IBM ftp sites with Mozilla or IWB lately? <WalterOS2> hehe <eCSNL> IWB ? <WarpedOS2> works for me Walter...but I use mozilla firebird <WalterOS2> IBM Web browser <WarpedOS2> have you read the latest? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/why/ <WarpedOS2> and all the awards Mozilla is winning? <WarpedOS2> here is a good article... http://www.salon.com/tech/col/leon/2002/03/12/mozilla/index.html <eCSNL> I'm afraid the time to support WE is over.... And if people are using WE can you detect it ? I think its good to detect people are using an old browser like Netscsape 2.02 or WE and to inform them to upgrade (still provide an option to continue of <eCSNL> cours) <eCSNL> But I have bumped half a year ago in one person running Netscape 2.02 on his Warp 4 box <eCSNL> and he said "I can't get onto website".... <eCSNL> s <KenKrchnr> Make that 2 ;) <eCSNL> Your running Netscape 2.02 ? <KenKrchnr> For some stuff, not all. <WalterOS2> Good old reliable browser, that. <WarpedOS2> I use now ONLY Firebird...works perfectly <WarpedOS2> it is fast...and snappy...and less overhead <eCSNL> Well Netscape 4.61 and 2.02 will bite the dust on more and mroe pages... <WalterOS2> Anyway, lets try to get back on track. <WarpedOS2> firebird works fine with DTOC too <eCSNL> Well Mozilla is actualy also very fast once its loaded... <WalterOS2> Hey, folks. BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE! <WarpedOS2> So again I would say Voice needs a face lift...to accomodate the newly released eCS 1.1 <eCSNL> Oke well maybe the kind of layout the ecs website has could be looked at... <eCSNL> We have had very good comment on that.... <WalterOS2> I agree. If Jeremy says he can do and make it compatible with any browsers supporting tables, I say go to it. <Rat-Salad> I'm open to creativity ideas guy.. if anyone has ideas you can e-mail me... rs@fyrelizard.com <WalterOS2> RS: Please be open also to some help, and don't try to do it all by yourself. <WalterOS2> We all know your very busy. <WalterOS2> :-) <WalterOS2> your=you're <Rat-Salad> Walter, whats most troubling for me these days, is the creative aspect... you guys toss around some ideas.. I can build it <WarpedOS2> Well...I think to get an eye catcher....the simple approach is better...clean and simple with easy directions <WalterOS2> I like "easy directions" :-) <Rat-Salad> I'd like to think of it as a artistic thing <WarpedOS2> yes...eg: warpdoctor site <WarpedOS2> I think possibly going to menu's across the top would be kewl...NOT drop down menus though <Rat-Salad> I'd like to stick with a canvas 800 pixel in width <WarpedOS2> that way you get more on center of page <Rat-Salad> with os2voice.org.. getting all the links on there.. I think going vertical with it would damage readability <WarpedOS2> what about a site like this format? http://www.proxim.com/products/wan/ <WarpedOS2> or backup one page http://www.proxim.com/ <WarpedOS2> pics don't have to be in same spot but just the layout of it? <eCSNL> Sorry WarpedOS2 <WarpedOS2> but really that is one kind of layout <eCSNL> but I get a surgery room feeling that website.... <WarpedOS2> I am focusing more on the menu's layout... <Rat-Salad> let me put it this way to you guys.. if you can bring up a graphics app, and put together something on a canvas.. I can build it <WarpedOS2> ok..RS... <Rat-Salad> if anyone can draw it out.. I can do it <WalterOS2> OK <Rat-Salad> I guess I have a lot on my mind these days.. I need a little help being creative <WalterOS2> How's your house coming? <Rat-Salad> ohh doing good.. got that new roof.. still need to get the rest of the repairs done <WalterOS2> How about your electrical system? <Rat-Salad> the electric is better now.. will have to replace the box eventually <WarpedOS2> so does this conversation mean we are done with the meeting? <WalterOS2> That's good to hear. Probably why I can connect to the chat through your server without fear of disconnects. <WalterOS2> Unless anyone has any other topics to discuss. <WarpedOS2> great walter you are supporting your own country...heehehe <WalterOS2> Your server was down. <WalterOS2> I tried this week and last time as well. :-( <KenKrchnr> How about we have Jeremy change the warpdoctor dns to point to voice2 for a week 'til Doug is ready to test Apache2 on voice2? <WarpedOS2> Well I am connected Walter and it was has been up for quite some time... <WalterOS2> Good for you. :-) <WalterOS2> Ken, that's fine with me. <WalterOS2> Ok, anyone want to move that we adjourn? * Rat-Salad moves <WalterOS2> All in favour, please type Aye. <Rat-Salad> aye :) <KenKrchnr> Aye <JWE> aye <WalterOS2> All opposed to adjourning, please type Nay. <WalterOS2> The motion is carried. <WalterOS2> The meeting is adjourned.