SpeakUp with Mike Kaply, Technical Lead, Communicator for OS/2 at IBM
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:04:59 ] <mandie> Thank you Mike, for taking time out of your busy schedule to provide support to the OS/2 community. Tell us a little about yourself and your involvement with Communicator/2 and then we'll begin our moderated Q&A session.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:06:29 ] <mandie> foru2play: you have the floor :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:07:23 ] <mandie> hmm
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:07:27 ] <foru2play> ksorry
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:07:30 ] <foru2play> my keyboiard died
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:07:39 ] <foru2play> Hi
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:08:13 ] <foru2play> ok my name is michael kaply.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:08:34 ] <foru2play> I have been on the Netscape for OS/2 team since August 1996
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:09:07 ] <foru2play> I am currently the technical lead for the communicator project
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:09:29 ] <foru2play> I am an IBM employee
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:09:33 ] <foru2play> As is the rest of my team
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:10:20 ] <foru2play> OK, got the wireless keyboard back
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:10:45 ] <mandie> foru2play: how many folks from IBM are on the Netscape team?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:10:53 ] <mandie> and how many from Netscape?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:10:54 ] <foru2play> All right, let's start the Qs :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:11:21 ] <foru2play> We have 15 IBM. We currently have no Netscape employees on the team
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:11:48 ] <foru2play> In the past we had a fe
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:11:48 ] <foru2play> oops few
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:12:40 ] <foru2play> next question
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:13:05 ] <Abraxas> foru2play Is there a known problem with JAVA 1.1.6?
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:13:38 ] <foru2play> yes in the beta. Bob (who is sitting next to me) found it last night.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:13:49 ] <foru2play> (The main one)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:14:19 ] <Abraxas> foru2play OK .... at least I know I'm not crazy
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:14:20 ] <foru2play> We definitely function better with 1.1 .4 right now mainly because that it what we developed and tested on.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:14:38 ] <foru2play> 1.1.6 came in too late before the beta to get good testing
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:14:43 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:15:28 ] <S-Z> Wease, you have the floor
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:15:31 ] <Wease> ahh..thanks :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:16:34 ] <Wease> I know that there are problems implementing OS/2 native dragdrop with what you have already incorporated with bookmarks. Will there be a problem using the RMB for both dragdrops if/when it's implemented?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:16:42 ] <Wease> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:17:14 ] <foru2play> RMB drag drop has been completely implemented at this time
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:17:29 ] <foru2play> Actually, it obeys the OS/2 setting.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:17:40 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:18:08 ] <Wease> Everything? wow.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:18:15 ] <Wease> OK, I'm done, sorry
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:18:23 ] <S-Z> TTC, you're up
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:18:28 ] <TTC> Thank you
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:18:33 ] <TTC> Why bother with Messenger when we have tons of nice Mail clients and left out NetCenter?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:18:40 ] <TTC> OK
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:18:57 ] <foru2play> I assume you mean Netcaster
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:19:05 ] <TTC> Oops...
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:19:16 ] <TTC> sorry.. yeah.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:19:18 ] <TTC> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:19:41 ] <foru2play> We made decision early on in the project to port Communicator including mail and news.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:20:15 ] <foru2play> As far as Netcaster goes, it involves a lot of third party code that is difficult to license
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:20:32 ] <foru2play> in addition, Netscape has stated that Netcaster is not in 4.5
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:20:45 ] <foru2play> Push technology kind of dropped by the wayside
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:20:52 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:21:33 ] <foru2play> Oh yeah, when I mentioned team (at the beginning) I only referred to developers. We also have a great team of 18 testers and beta people and doc people etc.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:22:08 ] <J-R> RudMan, you have stage :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:22:55 ] <RudMan> I see a number of repainting problems.....is there a list somewhere to see if these bugs have already been reported?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:23:34 ] <foru2play> Go ahead and report the bugs you see. The beta team will screen out the ones that are duplicates
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:23:49 ] <madodel> Please one question per turn and one followup.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:24:00 ] <RudMan> thnaks...that's it for this one
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:24:40 ] <uBnice> foru2play: Could you define what is the mission of the Netscape team, now and for the future?... What can we expect from IBM regarding the Netscape browser?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:24:41 ] <A-I> uBnice: your question
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:24:56 ] <uBnice> Ok.
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:25:21 ] <foru2play> I can't make many future statements.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:25:49 ] <foru2play> Our relationship with Netscape is ongoing
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:26:28 ] <foru2play> I need a marketing type to answer those kind of questions :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:26:28 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:26:28 ] <uBnice> :-)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:27:33 ] <Confed2^> When can we expect to see the next Beta version of Comm/2
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:27:58 ] <Confed2^> Ballpark
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:28:35 ] <foru2play> We are still evaluating our timetables to determine if and when to refresh the beta or release the final product
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:29:03 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:29:12 ] <Confed2^> With the next release, will Plugins be easier to install.....2.02 was much easier
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:29:41 ] <foru2play> The 4.0 Win plugin changes were necessary to make the 4.0 win plugins more functional.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:29:57 ] <foru2play> Unfortunately, there is no specification for how Win16 plugins determine where to install.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:30:05 ] <foru2play> Therefore they put themselves in the wrong dir.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:30:35 ] <Confed2^> Definately! or they do not recognize
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:30:41 ] <foru2play> The 2.02 plugin pack still function on 4.0 (although not supported) if you prefer the old functionality
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:31:00 ] <foru2play> The documented way for windows plugs to know where to install is to look at the NETSCAPE.INI in the WINDOWS subdir
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:31:13 ] <foru2play> Unfortunately most win plugins don't do that
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:31:31 ] <foru2play> We do put a fake NETSCAPE.INI in the WINOS2 dir for plugins that do this
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:32:08 ] <J-R> MichaR, you have the floor
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:32:14 ] <MichaR> Are you aware of the problem with the GRADD drivers (SYS3171 in CHPGRADD)? This one also exists in NS 2.02. Its quite nasty as it takes the complete system down :( - Will this be fixed soon?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:32:18 ] <MichaR> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:32:36 ] <madodel> Please one question per turn and one followup. Then everyone will get a chance. :-)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:32:54 ] <foru2play> I know there are GRADD problems.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:33:08 ] <foru2play> I was not aware of that one specifically
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:33:23 ] <foru2play> Please open a defect.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:33:42 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:34:24 ] <fernando2> Hi. First of all, congrats for a great job for a 'beta1' release. I was impressed. Q: Do you plan to release API docs to make it possible for 3rd party apps to use the Communicator HTML rendering engine like WebExplorer allowed? (perhaps it can be called as a PM 'common control' or via DDE?)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:35:03 ] <foru2play> Netscape's html rendering engine is not accesible as a DLL as was WebExplorers
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:35:49 ] <fernando2> and the DDE features are the same as in netscape 2.02?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:35:49 ] <foru2play> Netscape has stated that they have plans to decouple the rendering engine, but I cannot comment on how that would happen on OS/2
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:35:56 ] <fernando2> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:36:21 ] <tdb30_> My question was about the progress of the beta, but seems to have been answered. However, here is another question: Is it possible for some of the IBM/NETSCAPE team to give guidence to those porting the source of NS/5?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:36:34 ] <foru2play> DDE is a little better in 4.0
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:37:12 ] <foru2play> Bill Law was a member of our team as was Dan Libby and I believe they are helping in those efforts
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:37:36 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:38:02 ] <tdb30_> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:38:28 ] <madodel> !ask mod
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:38:51 ] <J-R> Nenad, you are up :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:40:30 ] <J-R> okay, Nenad may be lagging, so PoohBear, you're up :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:40:34 ] <PoohBear> Is there any plans for Comm/2 to support PNG format graphics directly, as the chance of getting a plugin for that support is slim?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:41:12 ] <foru2play> I don't know of Netscapes future plans for PNG
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:41:16 ] <PoohBear> (the windows vesions have a plug in available, as I understand)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:41:22 ] <foru2play> One of you guys should write a plugin :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:41:51 ] <foru2play> Is there a WIN16 version of the PNG plugin?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:42:16 ] <J-R> I don't believe so
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:42:34 ] <PoohBear> foru2play: that I do not know. Book that I have says MSIE has it built in, NS4 has a pluging available for Win95 and Mac.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:43:12 ] <madodel> !ask mod2
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:43:42 ] <foru2play> We'll investigate the PNG thing
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:43:48 ] <foru2play> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:43:55 ] <Joc_> Netscape have made public the source code, what impact does this have on the present development, and for future versions? Is an IRC client included?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:44:18 ] <Joc_> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:44:30 ] <foru2play> The source code Netscape has made public is not the code we are working on.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:44:40 ] <foru2play> It has had no impact on our development.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:45:01 ] <Joc_> in the future?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:45:02 ] <foru2play> It does not include an IRC client
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:45:23 ] <foru2play> fernando2 has just made me aware there is a PNG plugin on Hobbes
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:45:31 ] <foru2play> future as far as IRC goes? I don't know Netscapes plans, but they have not done an IRC client in the past
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:45:48 ] <madodel> !ask mod
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:46:16 ] <mandie> Rat-7: your turn
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:46:33 ] <Rat-7> I would like to know if it will be easier to set-up an help to use the save to disk than it is right now ?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:47:01 ] <foru2play> What specific behavior are you referring to in helpers?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:47:37 ] <Rat-7> well when you add manually an helper, such as for a ZIP file
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:49:06 ] <foru2play> hmm
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:49:38 ] <foru2play> I thought there was more
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:49:38 ] <foru2play> I will check this behavior to see if it is funtioning correctly
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:50:01 ] <foru2play> You should just need to check the button for Save to Disk and it should always default to that
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:50:01 ] <foru2play> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:50:13 ] <OS2pos> Will we be able to have background bitmaps, jpg, etc., or palete colors in indvidual components in communicator?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:50:56 ] <foru2play> we are not supporting the system palettes at this time. sorry
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:51:12 ] <madodel> The VOICE web site is now mirrored on voice.os2ss.com
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:51:16 ] <OS2pos> Is it possibly to have the presentation mode (CNTL-P) as the old IBM Webexplore did in this version of Netscape ? ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:51:25 ] <foru2play> schemes will work for most things but not the indvidual colors and stuff
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:51:28 ] <OS2pos> opps
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:51:41 ] <foru2play> Check out two command line parameters, -k for kiosk and -sk for super kiosk mode.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:51:44 ] <OS2pos> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:52:09 ] <Arkay> foru2play: I just noticed today that the multimedia plug-ins don't work with Navigator 2.02 since I installed Com/2 beta and the new plug-in pak. Did I do something wrong?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:52:10 ] <foru2play> Not the same as presentation mode because you can't do it dynamically, but they are nice
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:52:52 ] <foru2play> Not that I know of. The MM plugs didn't change for 4.0, just the Win support.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:53:26 ] <Arkay> must be something I did then. OK.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:53:26 ] <foru2play> Please open a defect
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:53:26 ] <foru2play> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:53:30 ] <Arkay> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:54:01 ] <rivr> I need 128-bit encryption. Is that being addressed?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:54:04 ] <rivr> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:54:16 ] <foru2play> It will be available in the final product
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:54:32 ] <rivr> thanks
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:54:51 ] <madodel> Via CDROM as 2.02?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:54:53 ] <Stan> You stated earlier that Bob had found the java 1.16 problem, are there any work arounds to use while we await the next drop or the GA?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:55:20 ] <foru2play> BTW, the 128 bit will be available over the web this time around
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:55:51 ] <mandie> when can we expect *this time* to be?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:55:51 ] <foru2play> The best workaround is to use 1.1.4 or disable Java right now. Sorry
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:56:25 ] <Stan> Who can we talk to, to have you or someone else come to Warpstock in Chicago?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:56:26 ] <foru2play> I promise Comm/2 will be release befor the next millenium
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:56:37 ] <Stan> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:56:53 ] <A-I> heh
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:57:10 ] <Eccles> Thanks, and greetings from down-under. Do you anticipate that the finished product will be available as both Communicator and Navigator, or will we have to take the full Communicator package even if we already have mail and news clients?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:57:17 ] <foru2play> Tim S was a good friend of mine and I would like to understand more the intentions of Warpstock before we make a commitment
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:58:26 ] <foru2play> We currently have no plans to release the Navigator client only. We are evaluating that option.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:58:26 ] <foru2play> Note however that removing mail and news actually does not make a big dent in the overallsize of the product
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:58:43 ] <Eccles> ok, thanks
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:59:02 ] <KuiSa-Ka> Hi. The NLS (National Language Support) part of Netscape/2 seems to be the same as in Windows version, not OS/2 specific, and has the same bugs already known for windows version. Are you working on it?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 17:59:35 ] <foru2play> hmm I need more specifics. What more NLS support do you want?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:00:13 ] <foru2play> We will be releasing Comm in more languages than Windows actually
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:00:13 ] <foru2play> The main problem in the beta right now is that UNICODE is broken
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:00:13 ] <foru2play> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc all should be functioning
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:00:30 ] <foru2play> Japanese can be used on a US system with the Times Roman MT 30 font
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:01:23 ] <KuiSa-Ka> foru2play: there are some bugs in document encoding for Russian KOI8-r and win1251 mail messages
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:01:44 ] <Bseward> Is it possible to get a real video (os/2 native) to work with NS/2 4.04 ? I feel its an essential for us. the Work done on This beta is Excellent . please keep up the GREAT WORK! There is a memory leak with this beta too, I lose 6 megs each time its loaded and unloaded with warp 4 fp7 running-on an aptiva 300mzh e84 series. I also have 2 messages incoming each time. if you delete them , they will be recalled from the server too. We do appreciate the work be
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:01:55 ] <foru2play> We are actually creating a translated version of Russian, so I hope it works :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:02:05 ] <foru2play> Please open defects on any Russian problems
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:02:17 ] <Bseward> sorry for the flood :>
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:02:18 ] <KuiSa-Ka> foru2play: bookmarks stored in codepage 1251 instead of 866, etc
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:02:27 ] <foru2play> We are investigating the leaks
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:02:32 ] <KuiSa-Ka> foru2play: ok, thanks.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:02:46 ] <foru2play> bookmarks are supposed to be in 1251
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:02:53 ] <foru2play> It is an HTML file\
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:03:20 ] <madodel> !ask mod
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:03:21 ] <foru2play> We have had to jump through hoops to get OS/2 and Win codepages to coexist
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:03:21 ] <foru2play> As far as realvideo goes, I would keep bugging Progressive
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:03:43 ] <foru2play> I believe the spec for RealVideo is being put to the standards boards so maybe someday anyone will be able to write a player
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:03:44 ] <Bseward> wer'e too low on the list for them
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:02 ] <Bseward> that would be nice !!
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:30 ] <TimurTabi> Hi Mike
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:31 ] <TimurTabi> Two questions and a comment:
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:38 ] <TimurTabi> 1. I heard you're back in Austin. Is this true, and if so, are you living in the same house? :-)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:48 ] <TimurTabi> 2. You said earlier, "I would like to understand more the intentions of Warpstock before we make a commitment."
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:49 ] <TimurTabi> What exactly do you mean by "intentions of Warpstock". What's so hard to understand about
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:49 ] <TimurTabi> Warpstock?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:54 ] <TimurTabi> 3. I can vouch for the improved DDE in 4.04. A friend of mine, at Theta Band Software (www.thetaband.com),
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <TimurTabi> has been working the past six months on an online transaction system, using Netscape for the secure
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <TimurTabi> transactions.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <TimurTabi> He couldn't use 2.02 because of all the DDE bugs. Even the Windows version under Win-OS/2
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <TimurTabi> worked better. But with 4.04, all the bugs are fixed, and he'll be introducing his app
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <TimurTabi> at Warpstock.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <foru2play> Timur!
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:04:56 ] <TimurTabi> (ok)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:05:01 ] <foru2play> same house
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:05:47 ] <madodel> !ask mod3
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:05:48 ] <foru2play> I don't want to get into the WarpStock thing here. We can talk about it. I want to better understand the situation
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:07:01 ] <fernando2> q: I noticed that HTML window drawing and page updates while scrolling is slow. it looks as if Communicator is using slow screen draw APIs (like WindrawBitmap). Hint: it will help performance if you switch calls to GpiDrawBits which sends data directly to the video driver and leave the slower method for wider compatibility with buggy drivers. (PMView does this to get better performance).
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:07:27 ] <fernando2> comments? :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:07:41 ] <foru2play> We use GpiDrawBits. We are drawing on an inverted PS which slows things down
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:07:59 ] <fernando2> will it be fixed? :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:08:24 ] <fernando2> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:08:30 ] <J-R> *PoohBear* Just checking to see if you still have a question for your upcoming queue position
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:08:35 ] <TTC> Can and will IBM and Netscape please HEAVILY ADVERTISE the fact that there IS indeed an OS/2 version available, PREFERRABLY on their (Netscape's) website, or at the very least, hardsell it to the plugin developers asking them to PLEASE develope OS/2 plugins? I believe the reason there's a lack of OS/2 native plugins is that most developers are NOT aware that there's an OS/2 version of Netscape browser ard... :(
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:09:14 ] <foru2play> GRADD makes the perf on inverted PS better if you can handle the bugs
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:09:32 ] <foru2play> I can't comment on the advertising thing.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:09:54 ] <foru2play> I tell people as much as I can :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:09:59 ] <foru2play> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:09:59 ] <TTC> What about the developer-relation thing then?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:10:08 ] <TTC> Sorry, ok...
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:10:23 ] <foru2play> I am not sure how active the dev relations group is right now
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:10:41 ] <foru2play> We are going to put the plugin stuff on DevCon to get it out more
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:11:12 ] <foru2play> You should use java instead of plugins :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:11:34 ] * madodel can't he has 1.1.6 installed :-(
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:12:00 ] <uBnice> foru2play: Thanks for the beta. Good job! Now that Communicator/2 will be out, do you forsee long waits for any future versions, i.e., will future coding be a cinch for your capable team? Just curious :-)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:12:51 ] <foru2play> We are hoping that our coding practices will enable us to produce upgrades much quicker in the future...
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:13:02 ] <uBnice> Ok.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:13:07 ] <foru2play> We had to get over that first hump, and 2.02 was not it. (totally different codebase)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:13:21 ] <PoohBear> This one is From gemini (who is in the commute home) - would it be possible to have a command line option to make Communicator load a URL in a previously running session, or load a new window as requested - without the use of DDE or other high level programming methods (for IRC Client URL Grabbing scripts and such)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:13:47 ] <foru2play> I saw that question.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:14:03 ] <madodel> !ask mod
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:14:03 ] <foru2play> I need a note on that. I will contact you offline
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:14:06 ] <VoiceBot> [mod] Moderators have nicks with alphabetic ranges. Please /MSG the moderator with your nicks alpha range that you have a question. He will give you voice when it is your turn to ask your question. (mandie)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:14:23 ] <MichaR> Do you plan to add support for external email / news clients in NS 4.04?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:14:56 ] <foru2play> Are the OS/2 mail clients MAPI compliant?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:15:22 ] <foru2play> I am not sure what protocol you would use on OS/2 to do this
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:15:41 ] <MichaR> well, one could invent one :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:15:45 ] <foru2play> Anyway, we have not investigated whether or not this is possible. Feel free to submit a defect if you feel this is a big issue.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:16:01 ] <MichaR> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:16:03 ] <Swordedge> I have seen from the list serve many complaints of non os/2 style drag and drop.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:16:13 ] <Swordedge> I believe this is due to a desirability to write the code so that any changes from netscape could be incorporated fast and easy.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:16:26 ] <Swordedge> could you comment on the way the porting is being done to minimize updates from netscape?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:16:47 ] <foru2play> We learned our lesson about that. Some things just aren't worth sacrificing :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:17:02 ] <Swordedge> that is, minimize the amount of work to incorporate updates from Netscape.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:17:41 ] <foru2play> I can't be specific on that, sorry. We have developled some coding methodologies that make this possible.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:17:54 ] <foru2play> Not Open32
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:18:01 ] <Swordedge> Since 2.02?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:18:24 ] <foru2play> yes. 4.04 was a from scratch project and did not use 2.02 code.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:18:31 ] <foru2play> 2.02 was implemented using openclass
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:20:26 ] <madodel> The VOICE web site is now mirrored on voice.os2ss.com
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:20:55 ] <madodel> Centari please ask your question
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:20:57 ] <JHP> Right.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:22:25 ] <J-R> JHP, your question?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:22:31 ] <JHP> A questing regarding errors. I have found that the buttons in the OS/2 Preferences in Java prefs are not working right, Is this a known problem?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:22:31 ] <JHP> And where can I repport bugs?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:23:12 ] <JHP> Am I comming through?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:23:16 ] <JHP> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:25:18 ] <mandie> apologies to foru2play..you now have voice to answer questions
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:25:24 ] <foru2play> oops
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:25:35 ] <foru2play> Java thing is a known problem
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:25:56 ] <foru2play> What specifically are you referring to?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:26:06 ] <foru2play> As far as defects go, we have temporarily closed reporting defects.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:26:13 ] <JHP> The OK button in the OS/2 prefs is not working here.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:26:19 ] <foru2play> It is limited to only the people who first registered to the beta
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:26:28 ] <JHP> I have registered.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:26:38 ] <foru2play> Hmm. that was before the beta
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:27:10 ] <foru2play> It is working now
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:27:10 ] <foru2play> Select Service and Support from the Help menu to find the place to report defects
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:27:31 ] <JHP> Thanks.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:27:35 ] <mandie> !ask mod
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:27:43 ] <SunnyBear> foru2play: First, welcome to WEBBnet IRC Network. We're reg'd to distribute versions of Netscape. When will we be able to distribute Communicator/2? Also will we be able to customize it?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:28:22 ] <foru2play> I am not sure what that means (the distribute thing).....
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:28:48 ] <foru2play> As far as customization goes, the Client Customization tools from Netscape work with the OS/2 version
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:28:52 ] <foru2play> You can customize lots of the user interface
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:29:19 ] <SunnyBear> When it became available for free... ISP's were asked to register to distribute copies, and report those numbers..
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:29:42 ] <SunnyBear> We have the Customization Kit for ISPs
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:30:01 ] <foru2play> We would need to take that offline
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:30:36 ] <foru2play> The ISP support isn't as thorough in the OS/2 version as Windows
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:30:43 ] <_Pippo_2> I ask about ability to Drag&drop (images,etc...) it's works fine with NS 2.02... what about Comm/2 ? (congrats for your excellent work!!)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:31:36 ] <foru2play> I am looking at the image stuff. I can't make any commitments. The drag drop in 4.0 is implemented totally different than 2.02. We will try to get as much in as possible.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:32:53 ] <fernando2> 2 questions: 1) is the html rendering engine on par with the latest windows versions (4.05). I assume it is html 4.0 compliant. 2) Any chance of getting the 4.5 "smart browsing" features sometime, either as part of the current release or a new one? (feel free to bug your marketing guys about that ("users would like to see the few new features in 4.5 too" ;-))
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:32:57 ] <fernando2> OK
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:33:25 ] <foru2play> 1. The HTML rendering engine IS the 4.04 rendering engine. Same code as all NS platforms
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:34:26 ] <foru2play> 2. We are still looking at future work including 4.5
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:34:44 ] <fernando2> thanks
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:35:52 ] <Centari> As a reseller, I'm intrested in the support that IBM is putting into this project.............As all of in here will atest to, IBM is not showing us why we should support them in the future
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:36:29 ] <madodel> !ask mod
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:36:41 ] <foru2play> Hmm. I am not sure what you mean by that. We (IBM) are throwing our full support behind this version.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:37:02 ] <Centari> As a reseller, I'm intrested in the support that IBM is putting into this project.............As all of in here will atest to, IBM is not showing us why we should support them in the future
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:37:24 ] <mandie> no repeats :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:37:39 ] <foru2play> OS/2 is a premier Java client, and we are continuing to update it
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:37:47 ] <Centari> OK, what I mean is with all the talk about no one supporting OS/2 and the lag time between the Win platform and Os/2, things are not looking bright
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:38:29 ] <foru2play> Actually, if you look at the time between 4.04 on win and on OS/2, it is about 6 months
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:38:48 ] <Centari> IS there something that we as OS/2 users can expect to be rewarded with for all of our patience and loyalty
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:38:49 ] <foru2play> Like I said, we got over some initial hurdles and think we should be able to keep up better in the future
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:39:04 ] <foru2play> We continue to release FixPaks for OS/2, browsers for OS/2,
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:39:12 ] <foru2play> as well as WSOD
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:39:27 ] <foru2play> Also, OS/2 is a great platform for Y2K compliance.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:39:46 ] <foru2play> We even support Y2K compliance on Warp 3!
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:39:58 ] <Longstaff> have you considered putting up a web page with good java setup specifications? i'd be glad to do this myself if i had the info
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:40:00 ] <mandie> any and all support of OS/2 is greatly appreciated by the OS/2 community!
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:40:26 ] <foru2play> Bob read that and just volunteered
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:40:57 ] <foru2play> We'll see what we can do
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:40:58 ] <Longstaff> hooray!
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:41:18 ] <jokerl> 1. dunno if this has already been asked, but how do you plan to handle 4.05 and 4.5? Will there be OS/2 ports of these versions? 2. Will there be another beta, or are you going straight to final 4.04? 3. Thanks on being true to OS/2 and using WarpSans as the font of choice on toolbars... small touch, but it does mean something)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:41:57 ] <foru2play> 1. We are still looking at future stff
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:42:29 ] <foru2play> 2. Still evaluating this
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:42:38 ] <foru2play> 3. I LOVE WarpSans. It's the only OS/2 font that has a good bold. I made sure it was used liberally everywhere :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:42:38 ] <jokerl> thanks
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:43:59 ] <Ironhead> is thear a chance for option to turn off hot mouse?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:44:45 ] <foru2play> It's on my list of possibilities. Pretty low though.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:45:16 ] <Ironhead> would be nice to have control
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:45:21 ] <Ironhead> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:45:30 ] <foru2play> We will keep it in mind
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:45:33 ] <Hermeneut> Is your use of an "inverted PS" preparatory to a JAVA version? (if you are allowed to speak to that) ?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:45:53 ] <madodel> What is hot mouse?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:46:51 ] <foru2play> Inverted PS was done because it makes it easier to use the netscape rendering engine which is defined around windows coordinate system
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:47:02 ] <Hermeneut> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:47:03 ] <foru2play> hot mouse is the fact that the toolbar buttons highlight when you move over them
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:47:47 ] <fernando2> q: Just one suggestion: using LXLITE on the EXE and DLLs would help not only decreasy the disk footprint but also make loading a bit faster. (It should make no problems since lxlite'd exes work on Warp3+, and ibm no longer supports 2.x). (I have all my apps except Lotus Approach and StarOffice which break LXLITEd). Second comment: afaik theres no restriction for using LXLITE on a commercial application.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:47:49 ] <foru2play> Everyone send a private happy bday messge to RKMBrown
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:48:06 ] <foru2play> We use LXLITe, thanks :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:48:23 ] <fernando2> heh, ok :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:48:23 ] <foru2play> There is a bug in LXLITE however that keeps clobbering our resource DLLs
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:48:33 ] <foru2play> We only use it on the executable
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:48:45 ] <foru2play> Need a job fernando?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:49:06 ] <Joc_> How much Netscape is involved in the development for OS/2? Do they assist you, and if so, how? (BTW what means "inverted PS"?)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:49:09 ] <foru2play> :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:49:58 ] <foru2play> Netscape had employees involved in the project until January
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:50:08 ] <foru2play> As of now, we receive code drops from netscape and work with those
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:50:28 ] <Joc_> and then what happen?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:50:32 ] <foru2play> an inverted ps is a Presentation Space that basically is upside down from the OS/2 way of doing things
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:50:47 ] <foru2play> It is used in OS/2 when you need better Windows compatibility
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:51:00 ] <Joc_> thanks
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:51:14 ] <madodel> Happy Birthday RKMBrown
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:51:25 ] <mandie> so much for *private msg* :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:52:10 ] <Fuzy|ogic> foru2play: What is your team's relationship to Netscape; why does IBM do the code for Netscape/2 products and not Netscape?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:52:32 ] <Fuzy|ogic> and, has work on 2.02 stopped?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:53:10 ] <foru2play> Netscape has finite resources to tackle all platforms.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:53:21 ] <foru2play> For some platforms, they choose to have third parties work on the code
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:53:52 ] <Fuzy|ogic> So IBM simply had the resources?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:53:53 ] <foru2play> If it becomes necessary to release a new version of 2.02, we will do so. It is not a focus item
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:54:38 ] <joel1> Are you planning to add support for PalmPilot/IBM Workpad applications such as NS Mail/NS Calendar?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:54:39 ] * mandie wants to see Comm/2 standard so we can use CSS :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:54:53 ] <foru2play> to fuzylogic - yep
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:55:03 ] <Fuzy|ogic> ok
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:55:13 ] <foru2play> I believe that support is in 4.5. We don't have a stance on 4,5 yet
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:55:38 ] <joel1> thanks
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:56:20 ] <Centari> Last one.........Getting back to the customization issue......As a reseller of OS/2 Systems, I'd like to install Comm/2 with the "N" replaced for one I install , is there a way to do this without a HIGH expense?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:56:44 ] <foru2play> I don't know how Netscape licenses the browser. Sorry
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:57:23 ] <S-Z> None of our business but is this a gratis work from IBM for Netscape and IBM's users?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:57:54 ] <Centari> I have 1.1.4 is on my system....working I still get the JAVA bug....any work arounds?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:58:13 ] <foru2play> I can't commen on contracts and legal stuff
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:58:41 ] <foru2play> Which Java bug?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:58:58 ] <A-I> java no workie :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:59:15 ] <Centari> Overall I'm impressed with Comm/2 and it works very well for themost part for a Beta...............Keep on the upper management!
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:59:24 ] <foru2play> I would need more info on your spcific install
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:59:38 ] <Centari> Exactly..............on some sites it does on others it won't.............JAVAI.DLL is the file
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:59:41 ] <foru2play> We are working on the Java defects. It is our TOP priority
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 18:59:41 ] <Joc_> Will your team use the public source code eventually? Will the other theams effort for version 5 overlap your efforts?
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:00:17 ] *** J-R is now known as freiheit
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:00:18 ] <foru2play> We are not sure at this point.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:00:30 ] *** S-Z is now known as Swanee
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[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:00:40 ] <madodel> Thank you all for coming tonight. We are going -m now. Please stay and chat if you like
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:00:49 ] <foru2play> The MOZILLA source code is different from the 4.X source code and we have access to a lot of code that NS didn't even release with Mozilla
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:01:10 ] <Joc_> foru2play, ok, thanks!
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:01:11 ] <mandie> VOICE would like to thank Mike, Bob and Mike Brown (happy b'day), for being our guests and for their support of OS/2. We'd also like to thank everyone who attended tonight and hope to see you at our scheduled meetings on the 1st and 3rd Monday of each month.
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:01:31 ] <foru2play> Don't forget Doug Rothert! :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:01:38 ] <mandie> oops...and Doug :)
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:02:09 ] <foru2play> i'll hang out for another 15 or so min
[ 08-10-98 ] [ 19:02:19 ] *** #VOICE Mode change: -m by mandie