SpeakUp with Kim Rasmussen, author of Internet Adventure

[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 16:59:56 ]	* Kim is feeling the effects of it being 2am... :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:00:23 ]	<mandie> Kim: I'm sure you're tired..we'll start in about 5 minutes and make it short and sweet :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:00:48 ]	<Kim> that's ok :) I'll just compensate and work less tomorrow :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:00:53 ]	<mandie> lol
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:01:00 ]	<mandie> Kim: how was your trip?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:01:19 ]	<Kim> to France ? it was great!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:01:47 ]	<mandie> sorry you're unable to make Warpstock this year though :(
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:01:53 ]	<Kim> the workshop (in VAJ v2) sucked, but the place itself (La Gaude) was great
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:02:13 ]	<mandie> Kim: not informative?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:02:17 ]	<Abraxas> Welcome to Voice and tonight's Speakup with Kim Rasmussen. before we get started, I thought I'd fill everyone in on what we are planning for Warpstock.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:02:20 ]	<Kim> yeah, if it had been closer to Nov 1st, I probably could have made it...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:02:58 ]	<Kim> mandie: too little info, and not from the source - I had expected some people from the development lab, but there was just a guy who had played with it in his spare time... awful !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:03:44 ]	<Kim> Abraxas: what's planned for WarpStock then ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:03:44 ]	<mandie> hi Sunny :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:04:00 ]	<Abraxas> VOICE is going to be hosting a LIVE IRC session all day, both days, at Warpstock 98
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:04:29 ]	<Kim> great idea !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:04:45 ]	<Abraxas> We are currently in the process of lining up more than a few guest speakers, and hope to have a schedule posted to our website later this week
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:04:59 ]	<trixer> Abraxas: is it gonna be on EFnet or something?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:14 ]	<trixer> which IRC network?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:15 ]	<mandie> trixer: you jest!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:19 ]	<Abraxas> We also have T-Shirts ... lots of them
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:20 ]	<mandie> WEBBNET!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:22 ]	* trixer duckZ
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:22 ]	<madodel> on WEBBnet #voice of course
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:29 ]	<trixer> madodel: awesome
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:33 ]	* Abraxas takes aim at trixer
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:05:57 ]	<mandie> Brochures
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:06:00 ]	* trixer was only being a smart-horses-arse
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:06:00 ]	<Abraxas> T-Shirts are in the process of being printed right now.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:06:25 ]	<Abraxas> Brochures went to the printer, today, and I will have them in my hot little hands by the end of this week
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:06:32 ]	* trixer uses the shareware version of Internet Adventurer at work :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:06:34 ]	<mandie> Floppies with demo of gtirc and ezirc which when installed will auto connect to webbnet #voice :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:06:51 ]	<mandie> plus member.html with member specific information
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:06:59 ]	* Kim wishes that he could use OS/2 more at work
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:07:06 ]	<Abraxas> mandie and custom diskette labels created with Smack!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:07:24 ]	<trixer> kim; it was either NT or Warp...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:07:52 ]	<mandie> Abraxas: I got Ceres SoundStudio and I'm going to try recording and see what happens
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:08:07 ]	<mandie> We'd like to be able to record and upload for your listening pleasure :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:08:15 ]	<Abraxas> We'll have at least 3, maybe 4 systems running Warp at Warpstock ... to demo software, IRC, and whatever the OS/2 user wants to see
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:08:22 ]	<mandie> we will also be taking digital pics and putting them on our web site
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:08:51 ]	<Kim> pics are a good idea - it was a hit last year.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:09:10 ]	<Abraxas> This year, the pics will have names to go with them
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:09:35 ]	<mTnBkR> mandie: make sure to include the person's IRC nick with the photos. :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:09:44 ]	<mandie> mtnbkr: good idea!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:01 ]	<trixer> Kim: what plans do you have for IA?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:03 ]	* mTnBkR pats himself on the back.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:13 ]	<Kim> that's a hard one...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:16 ]	<mandie> yes, we should give Kim a chance to talk :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:32 ]	* SunnyBear second's the motion
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:33 ]	<madodel> About an official intro first?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:34 ]	<Abraxas> We, at VOICE, have been VERY busy the past few months ... and getting busier
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:10:53 ]	<trixer> Kim: I was thinking about like an Internet shell like StarDock has done
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:11:24 ]	<Kim> trixer: you mean a kind of folder-thingy ? ... or ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:11:43 ]	<Abraxas> OK .... I'm done (for now) ... further Warpstock discussion will follow tonight's Speakup ....
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:11:49 ]	<trixer> Kim: yes...but with "Push technology"
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:12:04 ]	<Kim> I'm always open to ideas... :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:12:14 ]	<trixer> picture this:
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:12:32 ]	<madodel> Isn't push dead?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:12:43 ]	<trixer> A folder with links to subfolders which can be defined to auto-download new pages on a sceduler
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:13:08 ]	<trixer> offline reading is a great idea INHO
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:13:15 ]	<Kim> "real" push in itself is dead (mostly because of firewalls/proxies) but simulated push, through client pull is very much alive.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:13:16 ]	<trixer> err
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:13:18 ]	<trixer> IMHO
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:13:38 ]	<trixer> its just an idea
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:13:54 ]	<Kim> ok, so you mean a kind of web-cache that pre-fetches the pages your current page links to or something similar ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:14:05 ]	<trixer> Kim: exactly
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:14:14 ]	<Kim> ... much like one of the agents that IBM once tried to make
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:14:24 ]	<Kim> it's not a bad idea...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:14:49 ]	<Kim> but first, let me tell you a little bit about my current plans for Internet Adventurer
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:15:03 ]	* trixer has ears wide open
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:15:34 ]	<Kim> I don't like to admit it, but the OS/2 market is not that good at the moment, so staying alive with just an OS/2 product is not an option anymore.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:15:48 ]	<Kim> But, I simply refuse to port anything to Windoze !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:15:58 ]	<Kim> ... so don't think I am going away from OS/2 !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:16:23 ]	<Kim> Instead, I will be merging the current OS/2 version with a 100% java version of Internet Adventurer
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:16:53 ]	<Kim> I am in the middle of developing it, together with two other guys, so it isn't that far off.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:17:03 ]	<trixer> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:17:48 ]	<Kim> this time however, some of the stuff that I think is only half finished in the current IA, will get a chance to be completed - I am mainly thinking of FTP and telnet there...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:18:15 ]	<Kim> as some of you know, IA can currently execute java programs using one of IBM's old APIs
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:18:43 ]	<Kim> ... that API is ofcourse unsupported now, so it only works with jdk1.0.2 which means it is basically useless at the moment :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:18:53 ]	<Kim> thanks IBM !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:19:33 ]	<Kim> anyway, I am working on merging what is in the OS/2 program now, and what will be in the java program, so you hopefully won't notice where the native os/2 ends, and where java begins.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:19:33 ]	<Projects> heh
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:19:57 ]	<Kim> that way, I can avoid coding it all from scratch :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:20:07 ]	<freiheit> 50% Java! :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:20:18 ]	<Kim> something like that...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:20:38 ]	<Kim> but it will eventually move to 100% java, once I am satisfied with the speed of the thing !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:21:44 ]	<Kim> speaking of speed... a webserver I made in 100% java can process a request for a page in approx. 18 msecs, including connection establishment, so the rumors that java is slow are not entirely true !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:21:53 ]	<Kim> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:22:15 ]	<mandie> are we going to see this webserver?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:22:16 ]	<freiheit> For those of us unfamiliar with webserver software, what's a good average speed to compare that with?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:22:27 ]	<Kim> so, the buttom line is that Internet Adventurer as it is now will slowly transform into something more cross-platform than it is now.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:23:10 ]	<Kim> let's just say that the webserver I made is 50% faster than Lotus Domino Go !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:23:30 ]	<Kim> it even scales better :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:23:39 ]	<Abraxas> Kim are you planning on releasing this webserver?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:24:19 ]	<Kim> probably not... it is currently part of something else I did for IBM, so basically they own the code :(
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:24:37 ]	<mandie> then we'll never see it :(
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:25:00 ]	<Kim> you might... the best part is that it took less than 2 days to write that webserver !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:25:18 ]	<freiheit> Maybe, maybe not -- we don't know (well, Kim does, but the rest of us don't) what project IBM are using it for :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:25:18 ]	<mandie> wow
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:25:35 ]	<Kim> java really is that easy !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:26:04 ]	<mandie> I've d/l vajava 2.0 but the tutorial is only for win95/NT :(
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:26:09 ]	<Kim> without saying too much, I can say that IBM might use it for secure communcations with all it's frameworks...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:26:34 ]	<Projects> what, NT isn't secure enough for them? :p
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:26:36 ]	<Kim> mandie: drop the tutorial - it is worthless, look at sun's tutorial instead
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:26:39 ]	<mTnBkR> brb (beta testers re-boot more often than others)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:26:54 ]	<mandie> ok
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:26:57 ]	<Kim> NT ??? secure ??? hahahah
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:27:03 ]	<Projects> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:27:40 ]	<Projects> that's basically what I said to my bank when they informed me they're going to NT from OS/2 for y2k
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:28:12 ]	<Kim> When a customer uses NT, and insists on keeping on using it, the first we force him to do is to disable all networking components, and setup at least 3 of the boxes, so when the other 2 fails, one will probably stay alive long enough for someone to fix it :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:28:58 ]	<freiheit> Kim, in making the move to a Java Internet Adventurer, are you planning to "hook into" the HotJava browser as you currently do for Netscape Navigator for OS/2?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:29:11 ]	<Kim> most of you probably know that NT is C2 certified... but it isn't common knowledge that it is only certified if there is no floppy drive in it, and no network card !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:29:40 ]	<Kim> freiheit: more or less, but it will be possible with a much closer integration
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:00 ]	<madodel> I understand you can C2 certify the Card board box the computer came in using that criteria as well.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:13 ]	<Abraxas> Kim sounds like a "vague definition" of C2 Certified, to me
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:15 ]	<Kim> swing has something called JEditorPane which is in fact an entire web-browser, using HotJava's html renderer engine
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:16 ]	<Projects> haha
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:43 ]	<BrianB> And the cardboard box will be more stable than NT
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:45 ]	<Projects> hiya DavidA
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:53 ]	<DavidA> Hi all!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:54 ]	<Projects> bwahahahaha
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:56 ]	<Kim> using JEditorPane, you essentially get a free HTML renderer, so it is just to builtup the GUI around it - much as I did with the WebEx API's
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:30:58 ]	<mandie> DavidA: hi :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:31:03 ]	<madodel> BrianB: That's a given
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:31:31 ]	<DavidA> Hi mandie!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:31:33 ]	<freiheit> Kim, I see -- so in essence, then, you'll actually be making "a better HotJava than HotJava"
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:32:11 ]	<Kim> In computerworld (in Denmark) there was an article a week ago, that claimed that OS/2's java implementation is 3-4 times faster than NT.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:32:20 ]	<Kim> yep, something like that
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:32:50 ]	<Kim> and it also gives me other benefits, such as being able to view HTML emails as they are meant to be seen.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:33:02 ]	<freiheit> Those wacky OS/2 developers -- always striving to make a better product. :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:33:17 ]	<Kim> ... even compose new HTML emails - you get most of it for free within Swing !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:33:29 ]	<DavidA> bbiaw
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:33:32 ]	<Kim> ... but ofcourse, there are lots of code you have to put around it to make it work.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:33:41 ]	<mandie> Kim: what version is Swing at?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:33:51 ]	<Kim> 1.1 Beta3
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:34:06 ]	<Kim> ... which won't work with the Visual thingy in VAJ.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:34:08 ]	<BrianB> pardon me if I am stupid but swing?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:34:42 ]	<Kim> Brian: we are talking partly about Java - I will gradually move Internet Adventurer from OS/2 to java.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:35:02 ]	<freiheit> Yes, what exactly is swing (other than the music)?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:35:13 ]	<mandie> BrianB: swing is a java component that adds different functions
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:35:37 ]	<mandie> I'm sure Kim has a better definition :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:35:58 ]	<Kim> Swing is part of sun's JFC (Java Foundation Classes) - Swing is essentially a way to build graphical user-interfaces, and make them look the same on both os/2, windos, unix and other platforms.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:37:03 ]	<Kim> It has different look'n feels, so (almost) without any programming, you can change the look of your application (nomatter where you run it) to Windows, Metal (java's default) Motif, Mac or just about anything else
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:37:13 ]	<madodel> I'm sure M$ loves that?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:37:17 ]	<Kim> I heard that Disney is working on creating their own look'n feel
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:37:30 ]	<Kim> Bill is pretty scared :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:38:00 ]	<westwind> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:38:03 ]	<Kim> imagine that by just selecting a different look'n feel from a menu, your buttons will look like Donald Duck :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:38:04 ]	<BrianB> Well he doesn't own Java...of course he is
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:38:33 ]	<madodel> He thinks he owns everything, or kill off anything he doesn't.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:38:55 ]	<Projects> poor bill :p
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:38:58 ]	<Kim> I have also realised that the most important about an application, is that it looks great !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:39:27 ]	<freiheit> Well, stability is a key issue as well, but a good, consisten look/feel is important, yes
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:39:32 ]	<Kim> I know that some people doesn't like IA, because the toolbar icons are... well... ugly :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:39:58 ]	* Projects got rid of them all :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:40:12 ]	<Kim> so this time I am doing it right - I have gotten one of IBM's best graphical artists to design the GUI, and create the graphics
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:40:28 ]	<Kim> ... and I am making sure it it stable myself :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:40:52 ]	<Kim> actually, what has taken longest time so far, is to select a database - I spent months trying to find a fast java database
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:41:11 ]	<Kim> when I finally found one, they wanted $100 in royality per copy I sold !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:41:25 ]	<mandie> holy cow!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:41:28 ]	<Projects> heh
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:41:29 ]	<freiheit> uhh...heheh
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:41:49 ]	* freiheit can't imagine Internet Adventurer selling for more than $100 :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:41:49 ]	<Projects> so, your $30 reg fee is a little shy :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:41:53 ]	<Kim> so, I had to write my own... but that also has the advantage that it is pretty fast, and doesn't do more than I want - which means it doesn't suck up your memory :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:42:03 ]	<Kim> I couldn't imagine that either :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:42:15 ]	<Kim> ... well... maybe in a dream :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:42:23 ]	<Projects> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:43:02 ]	<Kim> In the java version, I will keep everything from the OS/2 version that I have had good feedback on.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:43:04 ]	* westwind could imagine a win ver at +$100
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:43:26 ]	<Kim> ... and I will replace the rest :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:44:50 ]	<Kim> At the moment I am playing around with a kind of WarpCenter-lookalike, which is mean to be used if you have IA started constantly - then you can see how many new emails you have, how many newsgroups contains new messages, how many websites have been updated since you last saw them...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:45:23 ]	<Kim> ... how many FTP sites that have gotten new files, what news there are from the news info-ticker etc. etc. etc.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:45:32 ]	<Projects> that's something I've wanted from some app for quite some time now :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:46:05 ]	<Kim> one of the things I have been missing in IA, is more online'ness
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:47:43 ]	<Kim> it is hard to define, but imagine that when you start IA, it automatically checks for updates to itself, it fetches new email and news in the groups you specify, and pops up and tells you about messages that it things are important to you (based on filters) - while it is doing this, it graps the newest headlines from cnn.com and displayes them in the WarpCenter-lookalike...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:48:09 ]	<Kim> Now, since we are more people working on it, this will all be something you will get in the not-too-distant future.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:48:20 ]	* freiheit rushes to get an ADSL connection for all this :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:48:47 ]	<Kim> IA has some of this now, but I have also gotten much feedback with suggestions on how to make it even easier :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:49:25 ]	<Kim> heheh, you can ofcourse turn the stuff you don't want off - and fetching things like headlines is fast enough, as long as you don't transmit pictures too.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:50:23 ]	* madodel misses a ticker app in OS/2 since the demise of the IBM infomkt ticker.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:50:27 ]	<Kim> IA will also have things like a filemanager, and you will be able to drag pages from the browser to a directory on your harddisk.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:50:59 ]	<Kim> madodel: Bjarne (the one with InJoy) has something like that at www.fx.dk, but it isn't as updated.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:51:07 ]	<freiheit> I suppose it's not possible to support WPS drag'n'drop with a Java app?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:51:27 ]	<Kim> I have been thinking about that one....
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:51:31 ]	<freiheit> (or to even "fake it"?)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:51:38 ]	<Kim> it would have to be faked
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:51:53 ]	<Kim> Have any of you seen IBM's Java Installer ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:52:23 ]	<freiheit> Not up-close
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:52:23 ]	<madodel> Kim: but the InJoy ticker only works with the dialer. I have a cable modem.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:52:58 ]	<Kim> It comes with native DLLs for windows, OS/2 and AIX - it registers the app in the .ini files or registry, and creates icons on the desktop - if you use OS/2, Wintendo or AIX
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:53:20 ]	<Kim> it does that using native DLLs - I could probably do the same with drag'n drop
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:53:52 ]	<Kim> drag'n drop will be integrated into java 1.2, but I don't think there will be any wps integration per default...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:54:10 ]	<Kim> it would be great though.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:54:23 ]	<freiheit> Very.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:54:39 ]	<freiheit> All we need is a Java WPS ...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:54:47 ]	<freiheit> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:54:52 ]	<Kim> yep
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:55:00 ]	<Kim> wouldn't it be great if IA could do that too ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:55:08 ]	* Kim slaps himself hard
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:55:19 ]	* Kim gets real :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:55:25 ]	<Projects> hehehehe
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:55:48 ]	<os2Warp> hi KoolAde2
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:55:54 ]	<KoolAde2> hello
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:56:18 ]	<Kim> no, seriously - I am afraid that the OS/2 version will die without having some kind of cross-platform thingy - that is why I am looking so hard at java.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:56:19 ]	<freiheit> Hmm, well perhaps a future version IA 3.0?) could utilize the browser-as-a-desktop scheme to provide a uniform Java-based WPS-like interface for any Java 1.2 capable OS :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:56:48 ]	<Kim> that would have to be IA 5.0 :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:56:53 ]	<freiheit> But that's far down the road :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:57:18 ]	<Kim> after all, I'm not writing Object Desktop - that's stardock's job :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:57:29 ]	<freiheit> Ahh, true
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:58:36 ]	<Kim> But I am creating a kind of "desktop" thingy (for lack of a better word) where you can put FTP sites next to newsgroups and email accounts in IA
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:59:13 ]	<Kim> This is what I have gotten most positive feedback on with the current version - many people like the integration of it all.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:59:21 ]	<freiheit> Would that be similar to URL Objects in Warp 4?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 17:59:37 ]	<Kim> yes, something like that.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:00:05 ]	<Kim> but and URL object can also point to an IRC server, or a news-ticker, or...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:00:17 ]	<Kim> much like IA can do now
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:01:04 ]	<Kim> you can actually start netscape from within IA, and write "irc:/server irc.tx.webbnet.org" in Netscape's URL line as it is now
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:01:22 ]	<Kim> I think that has worked since version 0.95 or so...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:01:32 ]	<freiheit> Impressive!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:01:51 ]	<Kim> it's all in readme.txt, but ofcourse - nobody reads that :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:02:19 ]	<freiheit> err... read me ... txt? :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:02:24 ]	<Kim> but have you got any questions you want to ask me ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:02:52 ]	<Kim> ... any features you are dying to get ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:03:05 ]	* freiheit ponders...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:03:17 ]	<Kim> ... any bugs you want to hit me for not fixing ? :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:03:22 ]	* Projects has been dying to get the "warpcentre-like" feature Kim already mentioned :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:03:53 ]	<Kim> Yes, that should really sell (I hope)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:04:14 ]	<Kim> I am eagerly accepting ideas about what should be put into it.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:04:14 ]	<mandie> Kim: you say we should see these soon....how soon is soon? We've heard of RSN, but soon sounds promising :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:04:39 ]	<freiheit> It sounds like something every internet user would want--since we've already got e-mail checkers but they only check e-mail, a full net-suite checker would be very impressive.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:04:52 ]	<Kim> so feel free to tell me what you have always dreamt of having in an internet suite :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:05:02 ]	<westwind> kim - ia work with comm/2???
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:05:06 ]	<KoolAde2> I want to know what advantages it has for someone like me to purchase as I have never used IA and wonder about it
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:05:13 ]	<Kim> westwind: yes, it does
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:05:39 ]	<freiheit> KoolAde2, best way to find out is to download it and use the trial (shareware) version. :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:05:40 ]	<Kim> mandie: I'll get back to you on the timing a little later...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:06:03 ]	<Kim> KoolAde2: The best thing you can do, is to download it and try it out
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:06:21 ]	<Kim> it doesn't cost anything to give it a try (www.inetadv.net)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:06:36 ]	<mandie> ok
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:06:51 ]	<Kim> IA's main force right now, is it's integration.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:07:07 ]	<freiheit> Is PlugIn support a possibility? I suppose it would be difficult in the Java version unless people start writing Java-based PlugIns...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:07:36 ]	<Kim> IA has an IRC client, an email client, a newsreader, a webwatcher (website update checker), and a few other features
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:08:15 ]	<Kim> everything is integrated, and after you have tried working with news and email in one window, you are hooked !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:08:58 ]	<Kim> Plugin's would only be possible if someone writes a java-version of it, but it isn't that unrealistic - just look at IBM's Bamba player... there is a 100% java version of that, and it is fast !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:09:41 ]	<Kim> about the timing, and a preview of the future java IA:
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:09:57 ]	<freiheit> Well, I suppose then that's it true--people won't make Java-based PlugIns until there are real browsers available that can use them. IA could be the first. :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:10:35 ]	<freiheit> err, "that it's"
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:10:48 ]	<Kim> Currently we are 3 people coding on it, and all the backend stuff is ready (mime parsing/handling of messages/attachments as well as communication with FTP servers, pop3, smtp and newsservers)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:11:20 ]	<Kim> the java database is also finished, and I just need a few more records, like address-book and such.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:11:28 ]	* _marv has set away! (auto away after idling [15 min]) [Log:ON] .gz.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:11:47 ]	* _marv has returned. .gz.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:12:00 ]	* _marv has returned. .gz.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:12:03 ]	<DavidA> Any plans to support IMAP?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:12:05 ]	<Kim> what is mostly unfinished at the moment, is the GUI - so there isn't much to see of the java version yet.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:12:14 ]	<Kim> yes, IMAP will also be supported
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:12:19 ]	<Kim> about imap...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:12:54 ]	<westwind> kim - site mirroring ???
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:12:57 ]	<Kim> IA has so far been meant for only offline email - I am still not sure if I should make it support full IMAP, with all mails on the server
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:14:09 ]	<Kim> I need a bit more input on what you need - I will make "offline" imap support, where IA can fetch email from IMAP servers, and then handle it locally, but I will only make it totally online if it really is needed.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:14:12 ]	* freiheit has never used IMAP, that he's aware of
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:14:27 ]	<Kim> westwind: meaning ??
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:15:01 ]	<westwind> never mind
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:15:28 ]	<Kim> the disadvantage of IMAP, is that everything is slower, since it is all online, but the advantage is that you can access it from anywhere...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:15:56 ]	<os2Warp> he asking what is site mirroring ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:15:59 ]	<Kim> westwind: if you are thinking of a web-slurper ( or websucker :) ) then that is also in the plan.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:16:09 ]	<westwind> ah
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:16:20 ]	<Kim> is that what you meant ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:16:48 ]	<_marv> for us nubees define IMAP ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:17:08 ]	<Kim> IMAP is a mail protocol
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:17:29 ]	<KoolAde2> Kim I thought the advantage of haveing IMAP was being able to do all that online
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:17:32 ]	<Kim> it is used to access mail on a mailserver, where you read the mail on the server, using your preferred email client.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:18:02 ]	<Projects> hey Garak
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:18:09 ]	<Kim> you do not normally download (as with POP3) and then read emails with IMAP.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:18:32 ]	<KoolAde2> being able to move it around and delete and all that kind of neat stuff
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:18:50 ]	<Kim> with IMAP, you can also have a number of folders on the server - you can think of it as having your mail database on a server somewhere, instead of locally.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:19:34 ]	<Kim> IMAP is great if you travel around alot, and if you use different computers - then you can access all your email online, and you do not depend on a single computer.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:19:57 ]	<Garak> Hi Projects. Joining you folks via the web.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:20:04 ]	<mandie> Garak: hi :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:20:06 ]	<Kim> But, since IA is an application you have to install anyway, it takes some of the value out of IMAP.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:20:09 ]	<KoolAde2> Kim if you were to make a true IMAP email client I think a lot of OS2 ers would welcome it as most keep complainning of what they have
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:20:41 ]	<mandie> I recall using IMAP with Pine/2
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:20:45 ]	<jon13> hello
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:20:51 ]	<mandie> jon13: hi
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:20:56 ]	<Kim> maybe you are right... I don't use IMAP myself, so I am a little disadvantaged there...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:03 ]	<SunnyBear> hi Garak
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:05 ]	<jon13> stats?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:08 ]	<os2Warp> jon13 hi
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:19 ]	<KoolAde2> Pine/2 is missing some features and is slow and buggy
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:24 ]	<mandie> Kim: do all email servers use Imap?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:31 ]	<mandie> Koolade2: I didn't say it was any good :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:48 ]	<Kim> mandie: no, far from it - most servers are just POP3 servers
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:21:49 ]	<KoolAde2> mandie :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:22:03 ]	<jon13> any body a female 13 or 14 years old?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:22:05 ]	<KoolAde2> it seems a lot of the colledges usees IMAP
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:22:13 ]	<mandie> that's what I thought...I had one provider that did but never could get it to work with the other mail server :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:22:25 ]	<mandie> jon13: we are having a meeting....ADULT meeting
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:22:41 ]	<Kim> the main difference between POP3 and IMAP is that with POP3 you only get one folder - with IMAP you get multiple folders so you can group your emails online.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:23:02 ]	<SunnyBear> sorry folks...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:23:10 ]	<mandie> no problem :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:23:16 ]	<Kim> no prob :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:23:42 ]	<SunnyBear> no way to prevent that unless I part irc.in2.webbnet.org
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:01 ]	<Projects> Swanee!!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:04 ]	<mandie> don't worry about it...they leave without problems..that's all that counts :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:19 ]	<mandie> Swanee!!!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:19 ]	<Projects> funny how the word ADULT scared him off :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:23 ]	<mandie> lol
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:30 ]	<Kim> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:31 ]	<SunnyBear> darn... I wanted to ... what was that thingey... kline? hehehehe
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:40 ]	<Swanee> Hi Projects! mandie! and all
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:46 ]	<SunnyBear> hi Swanne
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:53 ]	<Kim> do you have any other questions about IA ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:24:57 ]	<SunnyBear> er Swanee
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:25:09 ]	<SunnyBear> that's two e's and 1 n
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:25:10 ]	<Swanee> SunnyBear: Hi!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:25:10 ]	<Kim> about how it is now, or about what it will become ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:10 ]	<Kim> I would love to show you screenshots, but the GUI is just plain ugly right now - not find for viewing :) and it isn't easy to show you a screenshot of a database :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:11 ]	<freiheit> Was the question answered about whether IA supports Communicator/2?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:21 ]	<Kim> I think so.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:25 ]	<freiheit> Kim, we don't mind :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:28 ]	<madodel> Kim: Will you keep the IRC client in the java version?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:31 ]	<Kim> IA _does_ support Communicator/2
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:39 ]	<Garak> KoolAde2: It would make sense for colleges to use IMAP, but I don't see it as being useful for individuals on a single PC (or Mac)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:43 ]	<Kim> yes, the IRC client will still be in the java version
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:26:43 ]	<freiheit> We'll await the official screenshots--they'll give us a much better idea of the way it'll look
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:28:19 ]	<Kim> If someone made an IMAP client as an applet, it would be a good idea - IMHO it isn't that much suited for use in an application, unless you only use it to retrieve mail with, and then manipulate the messages locally.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:29:36 ]	<Kim> you must have something else you want to ask me, or talk about...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:30:17 ]	<Kim> what do you feel about IA becoming a java application, instead of just a native OS/2 app ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:30:20 ]	<freiheit> Will the Java version of the IRC app still be REXX scriptable, or will it be Java scriptable (is that possible)?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:30:24 ]	<Kim> is it good ? bad ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:30:52 ]	<Kim> it will be java scriptable - both via "plugin" compiled java classes, and via some kind of script language.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:31:18 ]	<Kim> thats another thing I forgot to tell you about - all parts of IA/java are made with scripts in mind
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:31:21 ]	<KoolAde2> Kim I have no problem with a OS/2 app becomming a java one as I use a java email client now and it works very well except for a few unfinised things
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:31:49 ]	<madodel> Well if it keeps it available for OS/2 users it's a plus.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:31:53 ]	<Abraxas> besides BoD ... we have, what ... 1 or 2
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:32:03 ]	<Kim> and I do mean ALL - you will in theory be able to make a script to move the cursor around the screen, select individual email messages, delete them, move them around, etc. etc. etc.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:32:21 ]	<Kim> everything you can do from a menu, you can do from a script.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:32:28 ]	* _marv has set away! (auto away after idling [15 min]) [Log:ON] .gz.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:33:04 ]	<freiheit> Excellent
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:33:31 ]	<Kim> freiheit: I have been looking at javacc (Java compiler compiler) - If someone makes a rexx script language for it, I'll use it :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:33:33 ]	<madodel> So we will all have to learn java then?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:33:57 ]	<westwind> any more enhancement to os/2 ver??? or all new = java?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:35:00 ]	<Kim> westwind: the OS/2 version will get bugs fixed, and I will add a few new features, but don't expect the big upgrades - I simply haven't got the time.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:35:00 ]	<KoolAde2> Kim what about NetRexx
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:35:09 ]	<DavidA> My biggest problem with Java is that we sink to the lowest common denominator and lose the unique functionality of the platform. Could you imagine Relish in Java? Or am I off base?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:35:36 ]	<Kim> ... and since I am earning less than $100 a month on the OS/2 version, it is hard to explain to my wife why I use so much time on it :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:36:07 ]	<Kim> DavidA: let me say it this way: you were right... :) Java was like that once, but those days are gone now.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:37:02 ]	<Projects> BTW, folks... don't leave too hastily. There'll be a door prize tonight of an IA registration
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:37:09 ]	<Kim> there are still problems with things like WPS integration, but since Swing/JFC was created, the GUI in java is full upto standard with the best of them - there are many more GUI controls for java than there exists for either OS/2 or windows
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:37:42 ]	<Kim> yes, that is true - when you run out of questions, the first who answers my trivia question will win a free IA registration !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:38:23 ]	<DavidA> Kim: OK, good. I'll keep an open mind - and I need to spend more time working with Java, I guess!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:38:33 ]	<KoolAde2> Kim netrexx is a rexx way of writeing java programs
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:38:36 ]	<Kim> I must admit that I have been converted :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:39:07 ]	<Kim> I know netrexx - unfortunately it misses something important - scripting
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:39:18 ]	<KoolAde2> k
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:39:52 ]	<Kim> NetRexx is "just like java" - it creates .class files, and needs to be compiled - REXX's biggest advantage is that it is a script that doesn't need the compilation step.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:40:27 ]	<Kim> Have you any other questions, or should we go to the trivia question ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:40:57 ]	<Projects> speak up, or forever hold your peace :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:41:00 ]	<mandie> Kim: let's do the trivia...that way you can get to bed pretty soon :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:41:06 ]	<Kim> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:41:17 ]	<Kim> it's approaching 4am :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:41:33 ]	<mandie> as I was saying :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:41:40 ]	<Kim> ok, here it is: the first one to answer this question gets a free registration:
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:41:43 ]	<os2Warp> hehhehe
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:00 ]	<Kim> Which year was Internet Adventurer v1.00 released ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:08 ]	<Swanee> 1995
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:10 ]	<westwind> 95
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:13 ]	<mandie> 1996
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:20 ]	<Kim> nope
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:21 ]	<mandie> oops..I'm not eligible :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:23 ]	<KoolAde2> 94
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:25 ]	<os2Warp> 94
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:25 ]	<_marv> 94
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:28 ]	<mandie> 97
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:34 ]	<os2Warp> hehehheeh
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:36 ]	<Kim> mandie !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:44 ]	* mTnBkR agrees with mandie
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:47 ]	<Kim> you are correct - 1997
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:42:47 ]	<mTnBkR> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:03 ]	<os2Warp> mandie won ;)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:09 ]	<mandie> I shouldn't have answered..I'm sorry....I can't win
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:15 ]	<mandie> give another question please :(
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:15 ]	<Projects> mandie's not eligible :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:18 ]	<os2Warp> ;(
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:21 ]	<_marv> 97
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:25 ]	* mandie ties hands behind her back!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:30 ]	<Kim> heheh
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:32 ]	<os2Warp> too late now
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:34 ]	<os2Warp> heheheh
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:40 ]	<Kim> Let's take another one then
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:44 ]	<_marv> LOL
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:43:52 ]	<Kim> mandie: close your eyes...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:00 ]	* Swanee gets the duct tape for mandie's typing finger.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:05 ]	<mandie> <-><->
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:11 ]	<os2Warp> heheheh
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:15 ]	<Projects> maybe we should just kick her for a few minutes :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:26 ]	<Garak> '98
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:28 ]	<mandie> MY bot won't like you for that :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:36 ]	<Kim> Here it is: What is the version number of the newest publicly available Internet Adventurer ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:41 ]	<Projects> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:48 ]	<Kim> mandie: don't answer!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:44:56 ]	<Kim> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:45:08 ]	* Projects has mandie's arms pinned at her side
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:45:09 ]	<os2Warp> ver 2
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:45:20 ]	* Kim can imagine www.inetadv.net getting more hits now...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:45:21 ]	<westwind> 2.03
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:45:25 ]	<Projects> LOL!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:01 ]	<Projects> silence as the page loads...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:08 ]	* SunnyBear wonders just who's hosting www.inetadv.net?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:10 ]	<freiheit> tick
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:10 ]	<Kim> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:11 ]	<freiheit> tock
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:18 ]	<os2Warp> tick
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:24 ]	<Garak> Did anyone else say '97 beside mandie? If so, then give it to that person.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:26 ]	<SunnyBear> darn... that slipped again..
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:27 ]	<KoolAde2> loading very slow
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:32 ]	<freiheit> wish I had some Jeopardy music to play
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:46:51 ]	<mTnBkR> Garak: I agreed with mandie. Does that count? :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:47:08 ]	<Projects> Kim's call...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:47:21 ]	<Garak> 2.1
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:47:49 ]	<westwind> 1.51
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:47:51 ]	<KoolAde2> 1.5
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:47:53 ]	<Kim> mtnbkr: you'll get a free reg ! - and the one that first quotes the version number will get one too
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:47:57 ]	<Kim> bingo
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:08 ]	<Kim> KoolAde2 and mtnbkr has won
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:12 ]	<westwind> çç ctcp: version reply from Kim: Internet Adventurer for OS/2 PM (Registered) :
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:18 ]	<westwind> Version 1.51 : Get it from http://www.inetadv.net
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:24 ]	<mandie> and I'll probably be charged for one!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:26 ]	<Projects> ahahahaha
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:28 ]	<Kim> 1.51 isn't publicly available yet
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:31 ]	<mTnBkR> whoo hooo!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:38 ]	<westwind> drat
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:43 ]	<os2Warp> 1.49
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:54 ]	<westwind> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:56 ]	* mTnBkR compliments westwind on his tecnique
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:48:58 ]	<freiheit> Took long enough, but we have a wiener! err, winner
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:00 ]	<os2Warp> hi Varig
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:14 ]	<Kim> KoolAde2 and mtnbkr - I need you to email your full name and email address to kim@inetadv.net - if you do that within the next 5 minutes, I will send the registration key right back to you.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:18 ]	* westwind bows
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:29 ]	<mandie> Kim: I would like to thank you for being our guest tonight and also for depriving you of your sleep :) Thank you for supporting the OS/2 community!!!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:38 ]	<Garak> mTn: Pends on when you did
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:43 ]	<westwind> yes thanks
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:47 ]	<Abraxas> mTnBkR Now that you've won a prize, SIGN HERE___________________
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:49:58 ]	<os2Warp> lol
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:06 ]	<Kim> and I would like to thank you for giving me the oppertunity to speakup today (well... tonight)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:06 ]	<Projects> and here:...................... <- mandie's copy
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:06 ]	<os2Warp>
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:13 ]	<mTnBkR> X
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:20 ]	<Garak> Congrats KoolAde and mtnbkr. :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:22 ]	<madodel> A log of tonight's speakup will be posted to the voice web site and mirror.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:36 ]	<madodel> http://www.os2voice.org
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:37 ]	<os2Warp> kim it has been a pleasure ;)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:47 ]	<madodel> http://voice.os2ss.com
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:49 ]	* mTnBkR is OS2@home.com
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:50:51 ]	<westwind> & thanx for IA
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:07 ]	<mandie> westwind and mtnbkr: we need your real names for our prize announcement
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:10 ]	* DavidA loudly applauds Kim for his support of OS/2!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:12 ]	<os2Warp> yeah IA is real cooool ;)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:15 ]	<Kim> mtnbkr: and your name (as you want it in the key) ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:30 ]	<mTnBkR> Kim: on its way via email..
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:38 ]	<Kim> mtnbkr: great
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:46 ]	<westwind> me?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:58 ]	<westwind> koolade <---
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:51:59 ]	* Projects slaps mandie again
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:52:02 ]	<Kim> ... and I thank you all for your support of the shareware - without you, IA wouldn't exists !
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:52:02 ]	<mandie> sorry :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:52:10 ]	<Projects> :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:52:10 ]	* mandie is getting *slap* happy!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:52:22 ]	<Projects> think about poor Kim...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:52:47 ]	* Garak is wondering about the lag time that he's getting with this Web based IRC client.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:09 ]	<os2Warp> i wish this was on a weekend it would of been 3 times this size ;)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:31 ]	* KoolAde2 has to change isp to send email now back later
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:39 ]	<trixer> Garak: lag time?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:41 ]	<Kim> Monday is probably a bad day
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:47 ]	<mandie> os2warp: we tried Saturdays at noon to accomodate some people...and NOONE showed up except the BOD's
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:48 ]	<madodel> Good night Kim
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:52 ]	<trixer> CTCP PING reply from Garak: 1.129 seconds
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:56 ]	<Kim> KoolAde2: I'll be here 10 minutes or so
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:53:58 ]	<SunnyBear> night Kim...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:01 ]	<mandie> Kim: g'night and thx again :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:02 ]	<os2Warp> yep monday is the deadest day on the irc
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:17 ]	<Abraxas> Except here :-)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:37 ]	<SunnyBear> rah rah Abraxas!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:40 ]	<Abraxas> All the GOOD stuff on IRC is on Monday Nights .... 1st and 3rd of the month
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:49 ]	* trixer would like to see all of you here more than once a week
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:56 ]	<mandie> and Oct 17 & 18
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:54:57 ]	<os2Warp> yepppers its more busy here than the other channels im on ;)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:55:03 ]	<trixer> errr twice/month
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:55:10 ]	<Abraxas> Like Monday Night Football ... without the ball
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:55:31 ]	<SunnyBear> smtp-server=
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:55:37 ]	<SunnyBear> oopsie
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:56:01 ]	<mTnBkR> Kim: THANKS Again...
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:56:20 ]	<Kim> no problem :)
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:56:22 ]	<os2Warp> thats were everybody is at they are watching monday night football
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:56:31 ]	<Kim> mtnbkr: did you send the email ?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:56:37 ]	<os2Warp> i dont know i dont got a tv
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:56:44 ]	<os2Warp> im a computer nerd
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:57:03 ]	<mTnBkR> Kim: yup... No rush... Get some sleep. 4am makes for a LONG day!
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:57:04 ]	<Kim> yep, just got it... I'll generate the keys now
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:57:07 ]	<Garak> trixer: Yes, when I type something and hit Return, it is a while before I see it.
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:57:33 ]	<trixer> Garak: maybe its the version of java yer using?
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:58:22 ]	<trixer> Garak: or it could be that you're using communicator/2? I notice alot of slowness when typing in a URL in COmm/2
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:58:26 ]	<os2Warp> KoolAde3 re
[ 10-05-9 ]	[ 18:58:32 ]	<KoolAde3> Kim email sent thanks again