SpeakUp with Sundial Systems from 12/04/2000

<SiuueD>	Rat-Salad is just spreading rumours 8-)
<Sector>	Hello rollin
<Rat-Salad>	the one on hobbes was dated in 99
<rollin>	Hello!
<Sector>	Hello StevenL
<crimso>	MADodel: The homepage given in the anouncement on OS2.org seems to be dead.
<Blackbird>	Hi StevenL
<StevenL>	Hey, there's a crowd here.
<StevenL>	Hi BB.
<Sector>	Randell/rollin tend to draw a crowd
<SiuueD>	But is it the right crowd 8-)
<Randell>	Assuming this all works right tonight, it's gonna be fun!
<Randell>	And the bigger crowd, the better.
<StevenL>	Humm. I smell software for sale
<Blackbird>	Who was Gordon Letwin...?????? might as well try one out....trivia question that is...
<Randell>	That would have been a good one...
<StevenL>	You should know that. I do.
<Randell>	Don't say the answer... we might use it for a tie breaker
<Blackbird>	ok
<StevenL>	OK.
<rollin>	I think he's one of the vote counters in Florida.
<DCasey>	Randell ... you want to explain how this is going to work, tonight?
<Randell>	Yep, are we ready?
<Randell>	Tonight we're going to give all you chat participants a chance to test your
<DCasey>	Probably as ready as we are going to be ... it's almost 9 minutes past the start time
<Randell>	OS/2 trivia knowlege
<Randell>	It's Sundial's first ever "Christmas in December" event!
<Randell>	Why the name?
<Randell>	Well, other companies have "Chistmas in July" promotions...
<Randell>	We decided to respect tradition, and celebrate the holidays in December instead.
<Randell>	We're not going to tell you what you're playing for until later in the game, however.
<Randell>	But it's definitely going to be worth the time...
<Randell>	And besides having a little fun, we think you might learn a few tidbits of knowledge along the way...
<Randell>	There will be 15 multiple choice questions and everybody gets a chance to answer them all.
<Randell>	But how do we do that on a chat?
<Randell>	Well, we're going to try to apply a little OS/2 technology to that problem!
<Randell>	Consider it a bit of an experiment...
<Randell>	To make it work, you need to get your brower started up since we'll be using it
<Randell>	in parallel with the chat...
<crimso>	do we need cookies and referers?
<Randell>	We're going to start with a practice question to get things started and make sure
<Randell>	everyone is connected to the game. This one won't count in the scoring.
<Blackbird>	will NS2.02 work...????
<Randell>	You'll now need to point your browser to:
<StevenL>	BB?
<Randell>	www.sundialsystems.com/voicegame.html
<rollin>	BB, yes
<Randell>	When you get there, enter the name or nickname you want to be known as during the game.
<Randell>	Again, that was:
<Randell>	www.sundialsystems.com/voicegame.html
<Randell>	We'll pause a bit while everyone has a chance to get there.
<StevenL>	Your updater is slow.
<Sector>	Any special requirments (Java, JavaScript, Cookies)"
<Randell>	StevenL, the slowness is intentional on our part...
<Randell>	Sector, no
<WyldFire>	What's the game?
<Randell>	Thanks, Dan...
<mandie>	are the VOICE bod allowed to play also?
<rollin>	They are EXPECTED to play
<DCasey>	WyldFire It's an OS/2 Trivia Game
<Randell>	mandie, EVERYBODY plays!
<mandie>	:)
<WyldFire>	Cool, I'll give it a shot =)
<DCasey>	FYI, I got in, answered the question .. and my brwoser is continually updating
<DCasey>	browser, even
<DCasey>	I hope spelling isn't part of the game, tonight :-)
<rollin>	That's correct. When we move to the next question, your browser will automatically piuck up the change.
<Randell>	DCasey, that's correct until we tell it to go on at this end...
<WyldFire>	Don't disqualify me for using a Mac to play
<crimso>	my name isn't shown
<Sector>	Mine simply went back to the question
<warspite>	I'm back..my apologies for crashing.
<Randell>	I'm going to repeat the questions and answers here just for people reading the chat...
<Randell>	0: Current fixpak level for Warp 4 (last time we checked):
<Randell>	A. 10 B. 12
<Randell>	C. 14 D. 16
<WyldFire>	I want a lifeline!
<DCasey>	LOL
<Randell>	Is everybody with us that intends to play?
<WyldFire>	, sorry, had to be said
<warspite>	I'm here
<DCasey>	Randell ... you guys call the shots, tonight
<DCasey>	You can start whenever you're ready
<Randell>	Rollin, has just scored that question...
<SteveS>	Now I know why Rollin does not have any free time. Always working on these trivia games!!!
<mandie>	wow! it even highlights yor nick :)
<Randell>	Ok, I think we're about ready to start.
<Randell>	Again, for purposes of people reading the transcript, I'm going to repeat each question
<mandie>	Sundial Systems never ceases to amaze me :)
<Randell>	and all the answers here in the chat....
*	DCasey thinks more people need to be playing
<Randell>	But, PLEASE, do not answer the question in the chat... that will ruin the scoring.
<StevenL>	Where are the rest of the players?
<Randell>	The only way to have your answer count is to keep up with us at
<Sector>	Interesting, but mine didn't show up. (Think I got that fixed now though)
<Randell>	www.sundialsystems.com/voicegame.html
<Randell>	Ok, on to the first question... one about OS/2 file systems.
<Randell>	1: Which is the most recently developed of these OS/2 file systems:
<Randell>	A. HPFS B. CDFS
<Randell>	C. JFS D. FAT
<Randell>	Don't answer here... goto www.sundialsystems.com/voicegame.html
<DCasey>	Is this a trick question?
<DCasey>	:-)
<StevenL>	Calling for a lifeline?
<StevenL>
<Randell>	Rollin will score the question when he sees that most people have answered...
<mandie>	should it send us back to question 0?
<StevenL>	Just like Jeopardy, Rollin's in the back room.
<Randell>	As with other similar games, we're starting off with an easy one...
<Sector>	mandie, are you going through a proxy"
<warspite>	Think I've got the hang of it....
<mandie>	no
<StevenL>	Do we have any streaming audio?
<Sector>	Hmmm, did that to me till I bypassed the proxy... (I recall you messing with Opera for Projects and using one)
<DCasey>	StevenL don't need it .. it's playing in the back of my mind :-))
<mandie>	I'm running the browser on the machine that connected to the net
<Randell>	That was an easy one to get things started.
<Randell>	FAT goes back to 1.0 and HPFS to 1.1.
<Randell>	I'm not quite sure where CDFS came but certainly by the 2.0 era.
<Randell>	JFS, of course, was new with Warp Server for eBusiness.
<Randell>	Now let's turn to VOICE itself for our second quiz question:
<Randell>	2: The C in VOICE stands for this:
<Randell>	A. competitor B. computer
<Randell>	C. consumer D. confused
<crimso>	he he he :-)))
<DCasey>	Could be all of the above .. depending on the day I'm having :-)))
<Randell>	I hope not too many many of you where "confused" by that one either.
<mandie>	:)
<Randell>	VOICE prides itseft on being a consumer-focused group -- OS/2 users helping other OS/2 users.
<Randell>	REXX is always an interesting topic... and it's lead to some of the best "answers"
<Randell>	and "questions" we ever got during Warped Jeopardy.
<Randell>	Like the answer "the difference between & and &&"
<StevenL>	What is /
<StevenL>	?
<Randell>	And the question "what is one &?"
<Randell>	And REXX is such an important part of OS/2 and Sundial's products that you should know where it came from
<Randell>	3: This person is considered to be the father (or "inventor") of REXX (and NetRexx):
<Randell>	A. Bill Gates B. Mike Cowlishaw
<Randell>	C. George Bush D. Al Gore
*	WyldFire is a bit ashamed to admit his REXX is very very rusty
<mandie>	and we all know who invented the Internet :)
<WyldFire>	Been years since I wrote anything in it
<Rat-Salad>	Al Gore...
<mandie>	shhh :)
<Rat-Salad>	oh
<Randell>	Please, no clues in the chat!
<Blackbird>	yah...right...
*	Rat-Salad shuts up
<DCasey>	If Al Gore knew what it was ... he'd have claimed credit for it
<Rat-Salad>	:)
<Randell>	Al Gore invented it didn't he!
<Randell>	Mike Cowlishaw invented REXX originally for use on IBM mainframes...
<Randell>	and continues to work on the future of REXX today.
<Randell>	Continuing on with a bit more about the history of OS/2:
<warspite>	I'm studying for my book, Randell
<Blackbird>	Randell.....this is absolutely fantastic....don't want to know how long it to to get it running....LOL
<Randell>	4: Which of the following cities has never been a center for development work on OS/2:
<Randell>	A. Boca Raton B. Hursley
<Randell>	C. Redmond D. New York
<SiuueD>	Now that is a trick question!
<SiuueD>	8-)
<Randell>	Blackbird, more work than we should have spent on it... but not all that much really.
<RLD>	what? no Dallas! :))))
<DCasey>	I want to know when we get to the commercials :-)_))
<Blackbird>	can I redo that last question....lol
<SiuueD>	Haven't you been keeping up with the subliminal messages DCasey.
*	DCasey has seen "Warped Jeopardy" ...
<Blackbird>	Will the Back button work...
<StevenL>	Nope.
<Randell>	That one might of be a bit tricky for some of you.
<warspite>	Woohoo!
<rollin>	Even if you manage to record an answer for a past question it's ignored.
<Randell>	Boca Raton is considered to be the "home" of OS/2.
<StevenL>	Clicked wrong.
<Randell>	The IBM labs in Hursley, UK did alot of the original work on the graphics system...
<warspite>	S.S. Boca
<Randell>	Redmond, thought usually associated with that other company, was a development center for OS/2...
<rollin>	That started to separate the OS/2 men (and women) from the boys
<Randell>	during the "joint development" years and lots of things (including HPFS I believe) came from there.
<mandie>	:(
<Blackbird>	that's why I wanted a back button...I answered too quichly...:)
<WyldFire>	I knew I hit the wrong one as soon as I hit it, but *shrug*
<Randell>	But, while New York is one of the focal centers of IBM's world, no major OS/2 development has been done there.
<WyldFire>	Me too
<Randell>	And now a bit of Sundial's history:
*	crimso pities that Jeopardy was canceled at Warpstock Europe
<WyldFire>	Impulsive answer, since I knew MS made it in the first place
<DCasey>	WyldFire this isn't Florida .... :-)))
<Randell>	5: Company which was not an original devloper of any Sundial Systems product:
<RLD>	lol
<Randell>	A. Athena Design B. Designer Software
<Randell>	C. Orange Hill Software D. Microsoft
<DCasey>	Nice thing about the Web interface is: .... NO Hanging Chads :-)))
<mandie>	yay! a yo-yo :)
<Blackbird>	StevenL got that one wrong....:)
<warspite>	Is that Morgan or the Lake?
<Randell>	A bit of an easy one...
<Randell>	Mesa 2 came from Athena Design,
<Randell>	DBExpert from Designer Software,
<StevenL>	BB, not I messed up the one before.
<StevenL>	I clicked before thinking.
<Randell>	and the Rover Pack from Orange Hill.
<Randell>	We also developed created some of our products entirely from scratch.
<Randell>	Both JunkSpy and Relish fall in that category.
<Blackbird>	Trick question....trick question...:)
<Randell>	And we started developing Relish now long after OS/2 was first announced.
<Randell>	Which brings us to our 6th question.
<Randell>	6: The year in which IBM and Microsoft announced "Operating System/2":
<Randell>	A. 1981 B. 1985
<Randell>	C. 1987 D. 1989
<WyldFire>	Announced, or released?
<Randell>	Announced
<WyldFire>	'k
<mandie>	uh oh :(
<WyldFire>	Hrm, that's not the question I got anyway =)
<rollin>	I accidentally advanced the game too far. Just hit back and you'll be in sync.
<crimso>	I guess I need a calculator...
<StevenL>	Hey, the answer form popped up twice here.
<StevenL>	It must not have like my first answer.
<Rat-Salad>	ehh Chrissy's browser is to the next question... mines not
<DCasey>	I already answered the next question
<Sector>	Nor is mine
<mandie>	please note: this is not as bug free as Sundial's products! :)
<Chrissy>	I answered the next question too
<Randell>	Ok, we will get it back in sync now...
<Randell>	1987 is the correct answer -- in April to be more specific -- along with the then new PS/2's
<DCasey>	Yep .. I got the "announced" question, again
<DCasey>	#6
<DCasey>	Can we get a ruling from the judges?
<rollin>	Chrissy, that's fine it will be scored too.
<WyldFire>	Darn
<Randell>	1981 was the year IBM introduced their version of a personal computer -- the IBM PC
<Randell>	1985 was the year Microsoft introduced Windows 1.0
<WyldFire>	I thought they released it in 87, so I figured they probably announced it earlier
<Randell>	By 1989, OS/2 reached 1.2.
<Randell>	Probably the most significant and innovative OS/2 feature introduced after 1.0 was the Workplace Shell.
<Randell>	And that's the focus of our next question.
<Randell>	7: Which was the first OS/2 version to include the Workplace Shell:
<Randell>	A. 1.2 B. 2.0
<Randell>	C. 2.1 D. 3.0
<Dan_eCS>	I'm lagged REALLY bad on my other box
<Dan_eCS>	jumping back and forth, here
<Randell>	2.0, of course. Though it significantly delayed the release of 2.0.
<Randell>	For that reason, many people think 2.0 should have been shipped without it...
<mandie>	you go! warspite!
<Randell>	And then the version changed to 2.1 (or something else) once it became available.
<SiuueD>	Go aussie!
<Randell>	The Workplace Shell is what provides you with your OS/2 desktop and all the objects on it.
<Randell>	It now works so well, you often don't think about it too much. So...
<Randell>	8: On the default Warp 4 desktop, the icon closest to the bottom right corner of the screen:
<Randell>	A. OS/2 System B. Web Explorer
<Randell>	C. Shredder D. Connections
<WyldFire>	I still have a mostly default desktop ;)
<Randell>	An easy one for those of you that haven't modified your desktops much.
<DCasey>	It's the first thing I do ... but I've installed eCS so many times the past few weeks ... It's stuck in my head
<DCasey>	:-)
<crimso>	you should have asked about the bottom left one :-)
<StevenL>	Harruph.
<Randell>	Bottom *right* was much harder!
<Randell>	It's the Shredder, of course.
<Randell>	OS/2 System is near the top left, Web Explorer near the botton left...
<Randell>	and Programs along the left side as well.
<Randell>	For our next question, we return back to the OS/2 2.x days...
<Randell>	9: The number of OS/2 "rings" (whole or partial) in the logo used from OS/2 2.0 until OS/2 Warp:
<MADodel>	And where is "My Computer"?
<Randell>	A. 3 B. 4
<Randell>	C. 5 D. 6
<Rat-Salad>	hehe
<DCasey>	hehe .. I have the box in front of me :-)
<MADodel>	I'm looking at my OS/2 Ambassador award for that one
*	Sector has the box just to the right...
<Chrissy>	not fair
<Chrissy>	LOL
<SiuueD>	I'm sitting in windows world right now 8-(
<DCasey>	MADodel hehe .. that, too :-)
<Blackbird>	Mines on the shelf above me...!!!
<StevenL>	It's OK. They still have to count correctly.
<Chrissy>	LOL
<SiuueD>	I can only guess.
<Blackbird>	Were're not in Florida....some of use anyway...:)
<Randell>	It pays to have a historical collection around the computer room...
<mandie>	hmmm :)
<Randell>	5 rings -- in red, green, blue, yellow, and grey.
<Randell>	Historically, 1.x used only one "OS/2" in the logo.
<DSOM_eCS>	Hello all.
<Randell>	But the idea with 2.0 was that you could multi-task many things... thus the multiple OS/2's in the logo.
<Sector>	Hello DSOM_eCS
<Randell>	I've also heard some people claim that it's 5, and it's "rings", in part because of IBM's support for the Olympics.
<Randell>	Speaking of colors, this is a good time to mention that for participating in Christmas In Demember...
<Randell>	You also get a free Sundial Pen ($0.39 value) - in red, green, blue, or yellow/gold (sorry, no grey) - with any order
<Randell>	Now, we return to Al Gore's invention of REXX for our next question.
<Randell>	10. Which year did REXX support first ship as part of OS/2:
<mandie>	lol
<Randell>	A. 1988 B. 1989
<SteveS>	Talking about having a historical collection arround, I was given yesterday the Ashton-Tate/Microsoft database for OS/2 systems software package.
<Randell>	C. 1990 D. 1991
<Randell>	SteveS, I don't think I've ever even seen that one!
<StevenL>	I believe is was a text mode dBase for OS/2.
<SteveS>	I had not seen it either until yesterday. Will add it to the OS/2 Museum collection.
<Randell>	SteveS, good plan!
<SteveS>	Randell, than means it is coming over to your basement!!
<Randell>	I know, I know...
<Randell>	That was a bit of a trick question but it still has only one right answer.
<Randell>	REXX support first shipped in the Extended Edition version of 1.2.
<Randell>	It didn't become part of the "base" Standard edition until 1.3
<Randell>	But both of those shipped in 1990.
<Randell>	So, after 10 questions...
<WyldFire>	Made back a point =)
<Randell>	warpsite has a slim lead
<Randell>	And we have a six-way tie for second place
<warspite>	Getting slimmer
<Randell>	Virtually every version of OS/2 has used some new "tagline" on the box.
*	DCasey thinks he should be looking up "Gordon letwin"
<DCasey>	:-)
<Randell>	And that's where we go for Question 11.
<Randell>	11: The OS/2 version which used the tagline "Your on-ramp to the information superhighway" on the box:
<Randell>	A. Warp 3 B. OS/2 for Windows
<Randell>	C. Warp Connect D. Warp 4
<DSOM_eCS>	Later all.
<WyldFire>	I know this, it was the first one I used! =)
<Randell>	Sorry Dan is having such connection problems...
<DCasey>	I have every box since 2.0 :-)
<mandie>	me too...in storage!
<DCasey>	hehehe
<Sector>	Hey, don't hide em
<StevenL>	I'm a packrat, but some stuff just has got to go.
<Randell>	Rollin will enforce a strict time limit so don't run to find them...
<crimso>	that's hard, I only have a german package around
<Sector>	Display them proudly
<DCasey>	I just asked myself, this morning ... "What the hell am I keeping all this old stuff for"?
<DCasey>	Now, I know :-)
<Randell>	It's Warp 3.
<Randell>	Lot's of people thing this was for Warp Connect given that version's emphasis on "connectivity".
<Randell>	But Warp Connect was "The Totally Cool Way To Run And Network Your Computer".
<Randell>	While Warp 4 was "The Easiest Way To A Connected World"
<Randell>	And OS/2 for Wiodows was "A Whole New World Of Power and Performance"
<Rat-Salad>	got the warp connect box here
<WyldFire>	?
<WyldFire>	Warp for Windows was redspine right?
<Randell>	Now warpsite is still in the lead and Steve S is alone in 2nd place...
<SiuueD>	I need to be at home rather than at work it would seem 8-)
<Randell>	and a, nine?, way tie for 3rd...
<DCasey>	OS/2 Warp for Windows was 2.x
<StevenL>	What I want to know is where where these folks when it was time for Warped Jeopardy?
<DCasey>	And it is Blue Spine
<warspite>	In Oz
<Randell>	Now, sooner or later, virtually everybody that uses OS/2 has to get into their CONFIG.SYS file.
<WyldFire>	Mine says "On ramp for hte information superhighway", but it was RedSpine, and sold as "For Windows"
<SiuueD>	In Oz
<DCasey>	Warp 3 (Red and Blue) have the same "saying" on them
<WyldFire>	*shrug*
<Randell>	So, for Question 12:
<Randell>	12: Which of the following is a statement type which appears only once in CONFIG.SYS:
<Randell>	A. BASEDEV B. SET
<Randell>	C. PROTSHELL D. IFS
<mandie>	hmm
<DCasey>	They're getting easier :-)
<SteveS>	I thought the questions were supposed to be getting harder?
<Blackbird>	times up....
<SiuueD>	Careful what you say Dan
<Rat-Salad>	yep.. that was a bit on the easy side
<DCasey>	I know .. I'm 2 points down ... I should talk :-)
<Randell>	IFS loads a file system like HPFS or CDFS... you can have multiple of those.
<mandie>	CGI.ID is not doing well :)
<RLD>	depends on often you diddle with the config.sys
<Randell>	BASEDEV loads a "base level" device driver... you always have many of those.
<SiuueD>	You may reqret having said that.
<Randell>	SET is the general purpose statement for setting environment varialbe... lots of those.
<Randell>	But PROTSHELL is what loads the "protected mode" shell... usually the Workplace Shell.
<Randell>	Those CONFIG.SYS questions often turned out to be harder that we thought they would in Warped Jeorpady.
<Randell>	Over time, we did 3 major Warped Jeopardy shows... each in a different city.
<Randell>	13: Which of the following cities has not been a host for Warped Jeopardy:
<mandie>	and they were FUN!
<Randell>	A. Greater Los Angeles B. Greater Chicago
<Randell>	C. Greater Phoenix D. Greater Atlanta
<WyldFire>	Aw man, no idea
<DCasey>	That'll teach you not to attend Warp shows :-)
<Randell>	WyldFire, take a good, and careful, guess...
<SiuueD>	I'm going to have to guess as well.
<SteveS>	I know I bombed out in Phoenix.
<Randell>	Think about where shows have been...
<Randell>	Phoenix was the site of POSSI's WarpTech conference and our most recent show.
<Randell>	All the other cities were Warpstock cities, but we only did it for Warpstock in Atlanta.
<mandie>	as I did in Atlanta :)
<SiuueD>	I haven't had the pleasure of any of the shows.
<Randell>	Greater Los Angeles was our first stop, however, for Wrap Expo West.
<Randell>	So that leaves Chicago as the odd city out.
<mandie>	oops
<StevenL>	SteveS, you are doing better here.
<mandie>	persell!!
<Sector>	Hi there persell
<DCasey>	Ah .. I gained a point :-)
<Randell>	Two way tie for first between warpsite and SteveS...
<mandie>	and I lost a point :)
<DCasey>	Hiya. Mike
<SteveS>	Possibly because this is the third time around and some of the info is starting to sink in!!
<persell>	hey all
<warspite>	When is it coming to Perth?
<Randell>	Four way tie for second...
<WyldFire>	I didn't get in fast enough =)
<StevenL>	Hi Mike.
<rollin>	Mike we're playing Christmas in December. Go to http://www.sundialsystems.com/voicegame.html to join.
<Randell>	Speaking of "odd things out", we usually don't associate Bill Gates and OS/2 positively in the same sentense.
<MADodel>	warpspite: Is Perth putting in a bid for Warpstock. ;-)
<Randell>	But, back before the "divorce", IBM and Microsoft jointly developed and marketed OS/2.
<WyldFire>	I guessed right in the end though - it was between chicago and LA
<Randell>	And Bill made some interesting statements about it during a 1989 interview.
<warspite>	Yeah, all 3 of us LOL
<Randell>	14: Bill Gate's stated target for the number of copies of OS/2 expected to be sold in 1990:
<Randell>	A. 1000 B. 100,000
<DCasey>	crap
<Randell>	C. 1,000,000 D. 10,000,000
<SteveS>	I think I just missed the correct answer to this question.
<Rat-Salad>	erm the question popped up on my screen a second time
<StevenL>	It will do that.
<Randell>	A million copies!
<Randell>	That was actually considered a huge number at the time since there were only about
<DCasey>	Ahhhh .. lucky guess :-)))
<Randell>	40 to 50 millon PCs -- most running DOS and a memory extender -- at the time.
<Rat-Salad>	what do I do?
<rollin>	You can answer it, it will be ignored
<warspite>	I read "Big Blue", but can't remember the important bits
<Randell>	Ok, we're down to the last question and we have a two-way tie between warpsite and SteveS with 12 each...
<Randell>	Rat-Salad, dcasey, and crimso are tied for 2nd with 11 each
<Randell>	And finally, for Question 15, we return to the beginning of OS/2 just to see how far we've come.
<StevenL>	One small misstep...
<Blackbird>	me two
<Randell>	15: The maximum disk partition size supported by OS/2 1.0:
<Randell>	A. 32M B. 256M
<Blackbird>	I mean toe
<StevenL>	I meant for the leaders. I don't know this stuff.
<Randell>	C. 512M D. 1G
<persell>	That should be apparent
<DCasey>	LOL
<Randell>	Don't leave after the last question... there's still more to come...
<StevenL>	It always was to me.
<Rat-Salad>	ack I was in diapers when 1.0 was released :)
<mandie>	and I was changing diapers!
<StevenL>	I was doing unix.
<DCasey>	LOL
<Chrissy>	LOL
<Randell>	Yes, just 32 megabytes.
<Rat-Salad>	gee thanks
<Rat-Salad>	hehe
<StevenL>	I do.
<Randell>	That's less space that most all of you now have as main memory in your PC.
<WyldFire>	Really
<DCasey>	Damn .. wrong guess :-(
<WyldFire>	That's what DOS did too, I'm surprised
<Randell>	Looks like we have a three way tie for first!
<persell>	I remember mfm and rll
<SiuueD>	At least I knew that one 8-)
<Sector>	Don't forget ARLL
<Sector>	ESDI
<crimso>	hi ho
<WyldFire>	A solid third place
<Randell>	crimso came up and tied with warpsite and SteveS with 12 points each.
<persell>	It took BIOS extenders to deal with the 80
<Randell>	Definite OS/2 trivia masters!
<Sector>	Damn, if I hadn't clicked one wrong earlier...
<crimso>	I'm just good at guessing :-)
<DCasey>	I blew the 1st question .... thought it was a trick question :-(
<Randell>	Sector, Rat-Salad, and dcasey tied after that with 11 points each.
<Randell>	We'll come back to those high scores in a minute...
<Randell>	But since it's December, we want everybody to be a winner.
<StevenL>	Two stupid answers here. The others I just didn't know.
<Randell>	Simple take your score, multiply it by 5, to get a number.
<Randell>	That number represents your own personal discount on any Sundial products you order
<SiuueD>	I was guessing between stints of work 8-)
<Randell>	during the entire month of December!
<WyldFire>	In whole dollars?
<Randell>	Fill in your collection! Give them as gifts!
<StevenL>	WyldFire, is that a trick question?
<Rat-Salad>	hehe
<crimso>	wow
<Randell>	Sorry, I wasn't clear... it's a *percentage* discount!
<DCasey>	LOL
<Sector>	Well, could be a percentage...
<mandie>	wow! that's excellent
<WyldFire>	StevenL: So there ;)
<WyldFire>	lol
<StevenL>	Oh.
<warspite>	Thank you. It will help our ailing Ausssie dollar.
<WyldFire>	Hmm
<Randell>	But, as we promised, there's even more!
<SiuueD>	Quite a bit warspite
<Randell>	We're now going give some of our high scorers a chance to copies of each
<Randell>	of Sundial's six products:
<Randell>	Clearlook, DBExpert, JunkSpy, Mesa 2, Relish, and the Rover Pack.
<Randell>	We've got more questions. We're going to start with our high scorers
<Randell>	and give them a chance to answer the question to win one prize...
<warspite>	I'm ready
<Randell>	then another question for a second prize, and on up to all six prizes.
<Randell>	First we need to break that tie for the top spot...
<crimso>	yeehaa
<warspite>	yup
<Randell>	So, will both Warpsite and Steve S please *private message* me...
<Randell>	with their answer to the following question..
<warspite>	how?
<DCasey>	warspite type " /msg Randell
<DCasey>	"
<DCasey>	no quotes ...
<Randell>	Sorry, crimso as well...
<Randell>	On the OS/2 2.x logo, which two color "rings" are the only complete ones
<Randell>	(though even a small part of one of these was cut off in some printings)
<Randell>	Well, they all got that one right!
<Randell>	Green and grey!
<WyldFire>	I know that one too!
<Randell>	Ok, the three of you again...
<Randell>	Closest correct answer...
<Randell>	Minimum memory requirement for OS/2 2.0 (per box)?
<Randell>	Only one correct answer!
*	Sector doesn't even have to look at the box for that one
<WyldFire>	I think I know it
<mandie>	me too :)
<Randell>	warpsite gets it with 2MB
<StevenL>	I remember that one because I got it wrong once. :-)
<warspite>	Woohoo!
<mandie>	congrats!
<DCasey>	Hmmm ... My box says 4Meg
<Randell>	Sorry, correction...
<crimso>	argh! I knew it the moment I pressed that button...
<Randell>	It is 4 mb... my error, we'll throw that one out
<StevenL>	Which one was 2MB?
<Sector>	I was gonna ask about that
<warspite>	Can't help bad luck :-)
<SteveS>	Whoa, you can't throw out my correct answer!
<StevenL>	Is that a Gore thing?
<rollin>	I think 1.0 was 2Mb. Many of the PS/2 came standard with 1Mb and required an upgrade to run OS/2.
<Randell>	Give me a minute here...
<DCasey>	OS/2 2.0 and 2.1 both have 4.0Mb as the minimum ... 6.0Mb is recommended
<DCasey>	for 2.1
<rollin>	Announcer voice on. Christmas in December is brought to you by...
*	Sector ran 2.0 on 8
<rollin>	Santa Claus he knows who's been naughty and nice. And...
<Randell>	Ok, here we go again...
<rollin>	VOICE
<mandie>	:)
<Randell>	For the three of you..
<Randell>	The year OS/2 for Windows shipped.
<Randell>	I'm still waiting for one more answer...
<Randell>	Ok, no one got it right...
<Randell>	But one person is the closest.
<Randell>	It was 1993, and based on the original answers I got, that gives it to
<Randell>	crimso!
<mandie>	crimso: congrats!
<warspite>	Congrats crimso!
*	crimso dances through the room
<WyldFire>	crimso: Congrats!
<crimso>	thanks
<SteveS>	Congratulations crimso!
<Randell>	Back to our main program... but we'll probably be back to SteveS and warpsite before we are done!
<crimso>	to be honest it was a wild guess
<Randell>	Ok, we'll now give crimso a chance to win up to 6 Sundial products!
<Randell>	But there's a catch.
<crimso>	uh oh
<Randell>	After revealing the question, you have the option to keep the prizes you've won so far...
<Randell>	or risk them all by answering that question.
<Randell>	If you pass, or get the answer wrong, we'll drop down the list to SteveS or warpsite!
*	mandie changes Randell to Regis
<crimso>	*gulp*
<Randell>	We've going to have you answer these questions "live" here on the chat
<Randell>	(rather than on the web) so everyone can see the answers.
<MADodel>	Talk about pressure
<Randell>	But, PLEASE, no help from the audience!
<Randell>	So, are we ready.
<crimso>	ok, but where do I start?
<Randell>	Here comes the question:
<Randell>	B1: The combined total of the current fixpak numbers for Warp 4, Warp Server, and Warp Server for eBusiness (last time we checked):
<Randell>	A. 55 B. 56
<Randell>	C. 58 D. 60
<Randell>	crimso?
<crimso>	58
<Randell>	Correct!
<mandie>	WOW!
<Randell>	Warp 4 is 14. Warp Server is 43. And WSeB is 1. For a total of 58.
<crimso>	my heart is pounding
<mandie>	hehe
<crimso>	like a big big drum
<DCasey>	We MUSt do this again :-)
<Randell>	Which of our products would you like for that first prize?
<crimso>	Mesa/2
<Randell>	Got it!
<Randell>	For our next question, we turn to codenames:
<Randell>	Remeber, after I reveal the question you need to decide to answer or not.
<crimso>	yes
<Randell>	If you decide to answer, and don't get it right, you lose you copy of Mesa 2.
<Dave>	A question. On my new HD, I had xcopied my E:\ which holds all my apps from my old HD, and although I am not useing most of the app on the WSeB I find that some of the folders on E: have nothing in them now, is there any reason for this, like it is not in the config.sys file so it does not get installed on boot, such as acrobat reader?
<mandie>	Dave: can we hold until after the Sundial session?
<Randell>	Dave, please save that until after we finish the game if you don't mind.
<Dave>	sorry
<Randell>	Here's the question for crimso...
<Randell>	B2: Which of the following was not an IBM codename for some version of OS/2:
<Randell>	A. Warp B. Voyager
<Randell>	C. Ferengi D. Falcon
<Randell>	crimso, do you want to try that one?
<crimso>	Voyager, it was a hype from usenet
<Randell>	I assume you want to answer it... is that you "final answer"?
<crimso>	yes, it is
<Randell>	Got it right!@
<Randell>	Warp was the codename for "Version 3" -- that eventually came out as Warp because Gerstner liked the name.
<crimso>	yeeeepiiieehh
<Randell>	Falcon went along with Merlin (Warp 4) and was the one for OS/2 for the Power PC.
<mandie>	then what was Merlin
<Randell>	Ferengi was one fo the Startrek-series names... and was used for OS/2 for Windows.
<WyldFire>	What was Ferengi??
<Randell>	Voyager might have been a logical Startrek-series one...
<WyldFire>	Interesting
<warspite>	What of our beloved DeScribe?
<mandie>	very interesting
<Randell>	but by that time they weren't using the Startrek ones under pressure from Paramount.
<Randell>	We were going to put Starbase in here since we recall it to be the original
<Randell>	one for Workplace OS... but we couldn't find the confirming documentation for that.
<Randell>	So, crimso, what do you want for your second prize?
<crimso>	Hm, Relish I think.
<Randell>	Great!
<Randell>	For our next question, we move on to the control of DOS sessions:
<SteveS>	I am going to have to bow out now. Need to leave for my ORCHS meeting with slides of narrow gauge railroading. Hope Randell will understand.
<Randell>	B3: Which is not a controllable setting for DOS sessions under OS/2:
<Randell>	A. IDLE_SENSITIVITY B. VIDEO_SYNC
<Randell>	C. PRINT_TIMEOUT D. COM_SELECT
<Randell>	crimso, do you want to risk your Mesa 2 and Relish on that one?
<Blackbird>	b:
<Blackbird>	ooppps
<Randell>	Please, no help from the audience!
<Randell>	crimso?
<crimso>	ok, I'll try to answer
<Randell>	(throbing music in background)
<Blackbird>	I thought we were in All PLAY....sorry
<crimso>	video_sync is the one
<Randell>	Correct!
<Randell>	IDLE_SENSITIVITY helps control when OS/2 determines that the DOS program isn't doing anything "useful"
<Randell>	PRINT_TIMEOUT determines how long OS/2 waits before assuming it should "close"
<Randell>	the print job and print what has been spooled
<Randell>	COM_SELECT can prevent the session from using unnecessary COM ports VIDEO_SYNC is one we created out of thin air.
<Randell>	One of our Warped Jeopardy categories that people love or hate is Desktop Anagrams.
<Randell>	These are the names of desktop object when the letters rearranged.
<Randell>	For example, ICON might become COIN.
<Randell>	Oh, I got ahead of myself...
<Randell>	crimso, which product do you want for that third prize?
<crimso>	dbexpert
<Randell>	Ok, do you want to risk Mesa 2, Relish, and DBExpert on this question:
<Randell>	B4: Which of the following is an anagram for something in Warp 4 but not on the desktop:
<Randell>	A: CREW PARENT B. TOWN IS WILD
<Randell>	C. MRS PARGO D. RED HERDS
<Randell>	crimso?
<Blackbird>	walk away....:)
<rollin>	He passed out.
<mandie>	no doubt!
<crimso>	huh that's hard, I only have a german version
<Blackbird>	he's still figuring...
<Randell>	There's three products on the table...
<Randell>	Yes, crimso, that could be very hard...
<crimso>	well, I know c and d...
<Randell>	You know, three products isn't a bad take for the night...
<Blackbird>	use your 50/50.....:)
<crimso>	randell, is it the desktop or also folders beyond?
<Randell>	Sorry, no lifelines...
<Sector>	Ummm, that's his 60
<Randell>	crimso, only the desktop
*	WyldFire figured out A, C, and D
<crimso>	ok, I quit. my brain is shut
<Randell>	OK.
<mandie>	crimso: nice job!
<Randell>	Let's give crimso a hand!
<WyldFire>	I think I fugured out B now
<crimso>	now tell me please!!
*	warspite claps
<Blackbird>	?me give's a hand
<WyldFire>	B is the one!
<WyldFire>	B = Window List
<RLD>	____ ____
<RLD>	_ __/ __ \/ __ \____
<RLD>	| | /| / / / / / / / / __ )
<RLD>	| |/ |/ / /_/ / /_/ / /_/ /
<RLD>	|__/|__/\____/\____/ .___/
<RLD>	/_/
*	Blackbird claps
<Randell>	SteveS, had to leave (unfortunately)...
<Randell>	So we'll now turn to warpsite...
<Randell>	warpsite, do you like this question or do you want to go on to the next one... your choice
<WyldFire>	oh, sorry
<warspite>	Can I have another?
<Randell>	warpsite, yes...
<warspite>	Please
<WyldFire>	Didn't think we were going on with that one =\
<Randell>	Let me finish that one off...
<Randell>	CREW PARENT is Warp Center.
*	WyldFire apologizes
<Randell>	MRS PARGO is the Programs folder.
<Randell>	RED HERDS is the Shredder.
<Randell>	But TOWN IS WILD is the WINDOW LIST.
<Randell>	Ok, on to warpsite's first question...
<Randell>	We've touched on OS/2 for the Power PC several time tonight.
<Randell>	Sundial was deeply involved in that project for some time.
<crimso>	i should have known A... well, 3 packages is quite nice :-)
<Randell>	B5: Which was the first Presentation Manager application to ever appear on the screen of OS/2 for the Power PC:
<Randell>	A. Mesa 2 B. Workplace Shell
<Randell>	C. Relish D. Describe
*	WyldFire would love to have an OS/2 PPC machine
<Randell>	warpsite, there's no risk...
<Randell>	so what's your answer...
<warspite>	Hang on, please
<Blackbird>	Don't tell....keep it too yourself.....:)
<Randell>	(thumping music in background)
<Dave>	two companies make ppc machines
<mandie>	(clock ticking in foreground)
<warspite>	OK, I am going for Mesa/2
<Randell>	And?
<Randell>	Your answer, warpsite?
<Randell>	Or was Mesa 2 your answer?
<warspite>	I said Mesa/2
<WyldFire>	Dave: I have several PPC machines, but finding OS/2 PPC and a machine it'd run on would probably be hard
<Randell>	Are you *sure* that's your final answer?
<Blackbird>	Is that your final
<warspite>	Yes
<Blackbird>	no no no
<Randell>	Are you *absolutely* sure that's your final answer (hint)...
<Blackbird>	but then what do I know
<warspite>	Hold on then (thinking)
<warspite>	It makes ense it should be the WPS, I'll go for that if I could please
<Randell>	Are you absolutely, absolutely, absolutely sure about that... (hint, we said Sundial was deeply involved in this)
<mandie>	(re-think)
<Blackbird>	Pick me ....pick me....pick me...:)
<warspite>	Ah, maybe it was Relish
<Randell>	Final?
<warspite>	Yes
<Randell>	Yes, Relish!
<Randell>	Athena Design was there working on Mesa 2 and as were the folks from Describe.
<Randell>	But Relish was first! Even before the Workplace Shell by several days.
<Randell>	It was quite an interesting experience to use Relish as "the shell" and it's
<Randell>	ability to run other programs to as the only way to open multiple command windows!
<warspite>	Thanks for your patience
<Randell>	So, warpsite, which product do you want for your first prize?
<warspite>	Rover Pack please
<Randell>	Got it!
<WyldFire>	Is it even possible to get OS/2 PPC (obviously second-hand) and a PPC machine it can run on?
<Randell>	Ok, we're about out of time so it's on to our LAST question of the night!
<Randell>	warpsite, so you want to risk your copy of Rover Pakc on this question:
<warspite>	OK
<Randell>	B6: The original name under which "Relish 1.0" was shipped:
<Randell>	A. Algonquin B. TACO
<Randell>	C. NOW D. Tickle
<Randell>	......
<Randell>	.......
<Randell>	...............
<StevenL>	Now you put up the one's I know.
<mandie>	............
<mandie>	.........
<mandie>	.....
<mandie>	..
<warspite>	Randell, I will have to pass on this one.
<Randell>	Ok, let's give warpsite a big hand!
<Blackbird>	BIG HAND
<crimso>	Congrats!
<mandie>	congrats :)
<warspite>	Thank you all for your support.
<Randell>	Since SteveS had to leave us, I'm going to privately give him a chance at that one rather than continue down the list...
<Randell>	So here's the answer...
<Randell>	Algonquin was the name of the set of "starter programs" that were going to
<Randell>	ship with each copy of Taligent's Commonpoint... and we built a Relish-type
<Randell>	thing to be part of that.
<Randell>	TACO, or Time and Calendar Organizer, was a name we considered but ended up
<Randell>	rejected because the trademark was already taken.
<Randell>	Tickle was the original codename, but another product called Tickle/2 for OS/2
<mandie>	by Bell :)
<Randell>	shipped before we were ready.
<Randell>	NOW, or Notes on Who, What, Where, When, Why, was the original name...
<Randell>	and it still shows up in a few places in the product today.
<Randell>	(Like in the filenames, and in the NOW Service Process.)
<mandie>	Relish goes better with BUNS than NOW
<Randell>	We eventually changed the name due to an unforseen trademark conflict.
<Randell>	And, speaking of NOW 1.0, we have one more special offer tonight.
<Randell>	We've found a small stash of them in our warehouse. So, if any of
<Randell>	you on the chat want one of these classic examples of OS/2 and
<Randell>	Sundial history, you can have one FREE with any order (or alone for
<Randell>	just the shipping charge). Hurry, this offer only good while supplies last!
<Randell>	Thanks for playing!
<Randell>	Give yourselves all a round of appaluse!
<crimso>	Thanks for the game!
<StevenL>	As always, Sundial finds the fun.
<DCasey>	Thanks. Randell ... this was a LOT of fun!!!!
<mandie>	Randell: you're going to have to really do some thinking to top tonights session :)
<Blackbird>	Randell...thanks for the game...
<mandie>	once again...Sundial rulez!
<Randell>	warpsite, and crimso, please send me your contact info (randell@sundialsystems.com) so we can get your prizes out to you.
<MADodel>	Randell and Rollin: Thanks for all you have done for the OS/2 Community and VOICE
<Blackbird>	We're going to expect this from now on....:)
<warspite>	Thanks, as always, Randell, really enjoyed this one!
<WyldFire>	How do we use the discounts we got?
<mandie>	we also owe a special thanks to Carla :)
<Randell>	And don't forget, everyone multiply your score by 5 and take that as a percentage discount on all Sundial products you order in December!
<WyldFire>	Those of us not elite enough to win outright ;)
<WyldFire>	Randell: How do we go about redeeming that?
<Randell>	WyldFire, visit our website for our standared order forms... just note your discount on the order.
<rollin>	Thank you guys. I had fun too. I need to run, but I'll see you all next time!
<warspite>	Thank you Rollin
<Randell>	For any questions, just drop a note to orders@sundialsystems.com.
<Blackbird>	nite rollin
<crimso>	bye rollin
<warspite>	Randell, I'll send you a note thru MR2ICE
<Randell>	Let's all thank Rollin for his behind-the-scenes work as well... and the software that made the game possible!
<Randell>	warpsite, thanks.